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    The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    This is from a writer with at least some knowledge of the situation. He said he is making a guess at the deal but it is an educated guess. So, I would imagine he knows for sure a few of these names would be in the deal. Here's the break down.

    Reds:
    Castillo
    Pelfrey/Maine
    Pagan
    Fernando Martinez

    Mets:
    Arroyo/Harang
    Phillips

    Thatas s lot of money off the books and some pretty good names coming back. I have yet to decide if I like this deal or not.

    Having trouble with hyperlink right now. So its a cut and paste for now.

    http://www.metsblog.com/2010/01/11/b...tchers-market/

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    I hate it.

    Castillo is 35, and other than playing 140+ games last year, has been mostly a utility player the previous 3 seasons. He has had a solid career, and if we were looking for him to be a backup, then that would be okay. The problem is, he's scheduled to make $6.25M the next 2 seasons.

    The only player in the deal I like is Maine. I don't want Pelfrey.

    Pagan and Martinez are OFers. Why do we need more OFers again?

    Geez, grab a SS while we're at it. If we're going to add payroll, in like Castillo, why not ask for Reyes ($9M). We're freeing up $24.75M in Arroyo/Harang + nearly $7M Phillips. If we're saving $31.75M, we should atleast get Reyes back for $9M, which he's only signed through '10.

    We give up 2 frontline innings eater starters and a gold glove caliber second baseman with decent numbers, and that's all we get?

    I'd be happy with Maine ($2.6M) and Reyes ($9M). I'd take no less. If they want to throw in Castillo ($6.25M) so we have a 2nd baseman to replace BP, then that is fine. I was hoping Frazier would be ready this year. We'd still save about $14M. Maine is arbitration eligible this year. Castillo's contract is up after '11, and Reyes contract is up after this season.
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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    After reading the Mets blog, sounds like they expect the Reds to take a lot of their "extras" in this proposed deal. I would offer Harang/Arroyo and Phillips for Reyes.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Old NDN View Post
    After reading the Mets blog, sounds like they expect the Reds to take a lot of their "extras" in this proposed deal. I would offer Harang/Arroyo and Phillips for Reyes.
    Harang/Arroyo/Phillips for Reyes/Maine. We gotta get atleast 1 starting pitcher back. We lose 2 starters in the trade, and Volquez probably won't be back at all next season. Bailey, Cueto, and who?

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    I hate it.

    Castillo is 35, and other than playing 140+ games last year, has been mostly a utility player the previous 3 seasons. He has had a solid career, and if we were looking for him to be a backup, then that would be okay. The problem is, he's scheduled to make $6.25M the next 2 seasons.

    The only player in the deal I like is Maine. I don't want Pelfrey.

    Pagan and Martinez are OFers. Why do we need more OFers again?

    Geez, grab a SS while we're at it. If we're going to add payroll, in like Castillo, why not ask for Reyes ($9M). We're freeing up $24.75M in Arroyo/Harang + nearly $7M Phillips. If we're saving $31.75M, we should atleast get Reyes back for $9M, which he's only signed through '10.

    We give up 2 frontline innings eater starters and a gold glove caliber second baseman with decent numbers, and that's all we get?

    I'd be happy with Maine ($2.6M) and Reyes ($9M). I'd take no less. If they want to throw in Castillo ($6.25M) so we have a 2nd baseman to replace BP, then that is fine. I was hoping Frazier would be ready this year. We'd still save about $14M. Maine is arbitration eligible this year. Castillo's contract is up after '11, and Reyes contract is up after this season.
    Just as a heads up it's a Arroyo or Harang deal. Martinez was a top prospect just a year ago. You can always use that. From the way it read Pagan was one of the suggestions by him. I could see him replaced with someone else. I know they have an up and coming SS in the minors. I would love Reyes but I really don't think we could pry him away.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Harang/Arroyo/Phillips for Reyes/Maine. We gotta get atleast 1 starting pitcher back. We lose 2 starters in the trade, and Volquez probably won't be back at all next season. Bailey, Cueto, and who?
    I think he meant Harang OR Arroyo.

    Pretty sure that's what "/" means, otherwise it would be "," or "&".

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    I hope it's Harang then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLEEDS View Post
    I think he meant Harang OR Arroyo.

    Pretty sure that's what "/" means, otherwise it would be "," or "&".

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    Thanks, it was what I meant. I guess I could have been more clear. Maybe Alonso to sweeten the deal. I just don't see where he is going to fit for the Reds. So, it could be Harang OR Arroyo, Phillips, and Alonso for Reyes and one of the aforementioned Mets list.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Could (Harang-or- Arroyo) + Alonso + minor leaguer for Reyes work without adding a lot of payroll? Reyes and Phillips in the middle would be quite sweet.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Trace's Daddy View Post
    Could (Harang-or- Arroyo) + Alonso + minor leaguer for Reyes work without adding a lot of payroll? Reyes and Phillips in the middle would be quite sweet.
    Perhaps, but we HAVE to trade BP before next year. No matter how much he progresses, he is never going to be worth $11M+ per year.

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    I hate this trade. I wouldn't trade Phillips, PERIOD. I know his salary goes up next year, but I hope the Reds don't underestimate what he brings to the team. I'd rather have him than Reyes, even. Phillips is just beginning to really grow up and come into his own. It is yet to be seen how good he will get.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    I hate this trade. I wouldn't trade Phillips, PERIOD. I know his salary goes up next year, but I hope the Reds don't underestimate what he brings to the team. I'd rather have him than Reyes, even. Phillips is just beginning to really grow up and come into his own. It is yet to be seen how good he will get.
    On the flipside, SS is a more important position, and Reyes is a career .280 batter with 300 stolen bases, a good OBP, and is still only around 27 years old. Plus he only makes $9M next season. We'd have to extend him if we want to keep him around, which I doubt would happen.

    I only wanted Reyes to help us contend next year. I fully expect Cozart to be our future SS, hopefully as soon as '11.

    Plus, if you unload salary, the opposing team more than likely wants to unload a little of their own to offset what they take on. Not saying the Mets want to unload Reyes, but if we unload $19M, there's no reason we shouldn't go after our biggest need, which is SS.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    I hate this trade. I wouldn't trade Phillips, PERIOD. I know his salary goes up next year, but I hope the Reds don't underestimate what he brings to the team. I'd rather have him than Reyes, even. Phillips is just beginning to really grow up and come into his own. It is yet to be seen how good he will get.
    Phillips may look to restructure like Rolen. He wants to be a Red for life, give it a shot. Dude's tough as nails and a perfect 7 hitter in the lineups of the future.

    Does this block Frazier? Yes, and no. Frazier hasn't proven anything in MLB yet, but he'll get the chance. Personally, I think Frazier should be a Sept callup at the earliest because you don't want to start his clock too soon if Rolen and BP are healthy.

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    Re: The big rumored Mets/Reds trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    On the flipside, SS is a more important position, and Reyes is a career .280 batter with 300 stolen bases, a good OBP, and is still only around 27 years old. Plus he only makes $9M next season. We'd have to extend him if we want to keep him around, which I doubt would happen.

    I only wanted Reyes to help us contend next year. I fully expect Cozart to be our future SS, hopefully as soon as '11.

    Plus, if you unload salary, the opposing team more than likely wants to unload a little of their own to offset what they take on. Not saying the Mets want to unload Reyes, but if we unload $19M, there's no reason we shouldn't go after our biggest need, which is SS.
    Tex and Ana are other good options for SS. You have to give up so much to get a SS, might as well be one you figure on keeping.

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    I don't think I buy it. Fernando Martinez is going to be a stud. They look at him like their Jay Bruce basically.

    And we get Maine or Pelfrey? I'd want Pelfrey based on age alone.

    Castillo is about done. I guess Frazier could be the 2B of the future if Phillips leaves but that exploits us pretty bad from the RH side of the plate.

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