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    Quote Originally Posted by max venable View Post
    interesting the Mario Soto didn't get more love in that piece.
    That poor, poor, man. He toiled for some of the worst teams and was basically the only reason to watch the Reds in 83-84 timeframe.

    He didn't have a sustained peak, which I am sure hurts him, and the "great" years he had personally didn't translate to any wins because the team was just so dadgum awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max venable View Post
    interesting the Mario Soto didn't get more love in that piece.

    Slaves to the almighty W-L record.
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    Ted Abernathy was one very good to great reliever...even if it only was for 2 years with the Reds.

    Red Lucas......was the best in some of the worst teams in Reds history.

    Clay Carroll was a horse in the same vain as Borbon.

    That one year Tom Hall had in 1972....you thought he was going to be a great one for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong View Post
    That poor, poor, man. He toiled for some of the worst teams and was basically the only reason to watch the Reds in 83-84 timeframe.

    He didn't have a sustained peak, which I am sure hurts him, and the "great" years he had personally didn't translate to any wins because the team was just so dadgum awful.

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    Soto's 18 wins that season accounted for 25% of all the team's wins that year. He finished 2nd in Cy Young Award voting that season behind John Denny.
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    While we're discussing all time Reds pitching, you can check out my latest Sporcle, Top 25 Reds strikeout leaders (only with the Reds). Only one surprised me, but others might be surprised by others.

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    When I was a kid I thought Jim Maloney would end up in the HOF.

    I'll never forget the first time I saw him pitch in person. I saw him pitch on TV but this was different.

    He was warming up on the bullpen mound before a game at Crosley Field. Not many Fans were in the stands yet, the ball made a loud POP when it hit the catchers mitt, The sound grew louder and louder with every warm up toss until they sounded like gun shots as they echoed through the the almost empty ballpark.

    I had never seen anyone throw that hard and haven't seen many since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    When I was a kid I thought Jim Maloney would end up in the HOF.

    I'll never forget the first time I saw him pitch in person. I saw him pitch on TV but this was different.

    He was warming up on the bullpen mound before a game at Crosley Field. Not many Fans were in the stands yet, the ball made a loud POP when it hit the catchers mitt, The sound grew louder and louder with every warm up toss until they sounded like gun shots as they echoed through the the almost empty ballpark.

    I had never seen anyone throw that hard and haven't seen many since.
    I never got to see Maloney pitch. He was overshadowed by a number of really great pitchers during his career - Koufax, Gibson, Marichal, Spahn (at the end of his career then), Drysdale, just to name a handful. You look at his comparables on baseball-reference.com and they all were very good pitchers for points in their career. Very unsung, he is, I think. Not a HOFer, but for five year or so, he was very good.
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    Slaves to the almighty W-L record.
    While Mario has mellowed, the Alex Trevino line might be in play about Soto.

    He has a million dollar arm...and a ten-cent head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    When I was a kid I thought Jim Maloney would end up in the HOF.

    I'll never forget the first time I saw him pitch in person. I saw him pitch on TV but this was different.

    He was warming up on the bullpen mound before a game at Crosley Field. Not many Fans were in the stands yet, the ball made a loud POP when it hit the catchers mitt, The sound grew louder and louder with every warm up toss until they sounded like gun shots as they echoed through the the almost empty ballpark.

    I had never seen anyone throw that hard and haven't seen many since.

    He would have if it hadn't been for the freak injury to his Achilles. Easily the most dominant Reds starter I've seen since 1955. (though I too suffer for Soto)

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    Scott Sullivan has horse in this race too, rubber arm with a 5 year run and an average of 104 IP a season and 72 appearances, all in relief
    Sullivan had some very good years with the Reds. IMHO he was always underrated by local fans and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    While Mario has mellowed, the Alex Trevino line might be in play about Soto.

    He has a million dollar arm...and a ten-cent head.
    I know I've told this story story before, but my friend who played in the Reds minors in the 50'played with Dave Bristol. Bristol, looking for a future beyond his playing days, helped send the daily reports about players to Cincinnati. He told my friend that the manager wrote of him that he had a major league arm and a minor league head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    While Mario has mellowed, the Alex Trevino line might be in play about Soto.

    He has a million dollar arm...and a ten-cent head.
    Mario Soto may have had a hot temper but he was not dim-witted.

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    I was mildly surprised of no mention of the Whip, Ewell Blackwell. Again I suppose it's a W/L thing. I don't know he was good enough to make the rotation but I would have thought he was good enough to be in the argument but I guess that just shows what I know about him/anyone prior to Mario Soto. And I agree on the Franco thing, I'd think he's considered a Met at this point. Otherwise you could just add Seaver to the argument.
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