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    Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    I feel pretty good about this deal.I think there is a good chance Massett earns every penny and then some.I hope that one of the incentives is saves and that he gets a bunch of them by the end of this deal in 2011.If by some chance Walt is able to trade Cordero the Reds would go from having one of highest paid closers to one of the lowest paid.This would be a good thing imo.

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Totally reasonable deal and I also think he ends up out performing it. Good signing, imo!

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Great! Now trade Cordero!
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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
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    The same thing many here were saying about Burton not too long ago. I'd like to see TWO extremely solid years back to back before I acclaim Massett the next closer. As much as people complain about Cordero (or his contract), Coco has EARNED his money.
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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Great! Now trade Cordero!
    Don't skimp on the bullpen. You'll wind up taking antacids night after night when the Reds lose games they should win.

    If anything, the Reds could use still another late innings reliever. Unless you're sold on Burton in that role.

    For now, Massett, Rhodes, and Coco is a good combo. I know Coco makes a lot of money, but that's what it took to get him. He's not being traded now, so enjoy the fact that the Reds can usually pin down those close games.

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    The same thing many here were saying about Burton not too long ago. I'd like to see TWO extremely solid years back to back before I acclaim Massett the next closer. As much as people complain about Cordero (or his contract), Coco has EARNED his money.
    Coco has been very good, but he hasn't been 12-million-dollars-a-year good. I think he's under-appreciated, but he's overpaid, and trading him should ultimately help the team in terms of moving forward and paying the more valuable players already in the organization.

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    The same thing many here were saying about Burton not too long ago. I'd like to see TWO extremely solid years back to back before I acclaim Massett the next closer. As much as people complain about Cordero (or his contract), Coco has EARNED his money.
    While I completely agree with the whole go cheep on the closer idea it's going to require some degree of uncertainty and risk.On the other hand just because your paying your closer 12 million a year it doesn't guarantee that he'll stay healthy and pitch lights out.There is equal risk either way you go imo.

    Lets say Burton had earned the closer role after his one good season.It seems to me that at his low cost it would have been very easy to find someone from last years team to take over had he failed.I'm not saying that closers are a dime a dozen but if you have a bunch of capable guys in the pen then giving a younger talented guy a chance based on some limited success is probably the best way to go.What are we going to do if Cordero struggles this year?

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post
    While I completely agree with the whole go cheep on the closer idea it's going to require some degree of uncertainty and risk.On the other hand just because your paying your closer 12 million a year it doesn't guarantee that he'll stay healthy and pitch lights out.There is equal risk either way you go imo.

    Lets say Burton had earned the closer role after his one good season.It seems to me that at his low cost it would have been very easy to find someone from last years team to take over had he failed.I'm not saying that closers are a dime a dozen but if you have a bunch of capable guys in the pen then giving a younger talented guy a chance based on some limited success is probably the best way to go.What are we going to do if Cordero struggles this year?
    did I miss something? Was Cordero showing some signs of injury or struggling as last season wore on?

    There's a risk with every player but while it's debateable if anyone can warrant 12 million per year I'd say he's pretty much been everything a closer can be since signing. We should let Harang, Arroyo, and Cueto vote on this.

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post

    Lets say Burton had earned the closer role after his one good season.It seems to me that at his low cost it would have been very easy to find someone from last years team to take over had he failed.I'm not saying that closers are a dime a dozen but if you have a bunch of capable guys in the pen then giving a younger talented guy a chance based on some limited success is probably the best way to go.What are we going to do if Cordero struggles this year?
    I don't want to debate the Cordero contract on here. But you're proposing a tryout camp for closer. I prefer a proven guy for the ninth inning, recognizing that there's always a risk of failure.

    I can understand folks saying it was premature to spend for a closer two years ago. I disagree, but I understand the point.

    But as the Reds improve it will be even more important to pin down the 8th and 9th innings with solid guys. Otherwise you risk late inning losses which tend to destroy the morale of a ballclub.

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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    For now, Massett, Rhodes, and Coco is a good combo. I know Coco makes a lot of money, but that's what it took to get him. He's not being traded now, so enjoy the fact that the Reds can usually pin down those close games.
    Trading Coco now would actually make a lot of sense, I think. I'm convinced that if Walt could trade him, he would. But I take your point--the bullpen is solid, and I can live with it (gnashes teeth).
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    Re: Reds sign Massett two two year deal, avoid arbitration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I don't want to debate the Cordero contract on here. But you're proposing a tryout camp for closer. I prefer a proven guy for the ninth inning, recognizing that there's always a risk of failure.

    I can understand folks saying it was premature to spend for a closer two years ago. I disagree, but I understand the point.

    But as the Reds improve it will be even more important to pin down the 8th and 9th innings with solid guys. Otherwise you risk late inning losses which tend to destroy the morale of a ballclub.
    I understand your disagreement considering that in 07 the Reds had one of the worst BP's in all of baseball.So bad that the GM at the time decided to trade a All Star SS along with a pretty decent RF for some relief pitching.Relief pitching and that was it(that didn't work out by the way).When that didn't work the same GM decided to spend a ton of money for Cordero.Since that time the Reds have had one of the better BP's in the league.So I understand.

    So now, today the Reds have a wealth of pitching.There isn't a likely scenario in 2010 in which the Reds would have a hard time replacing a SP or RP with a guy we would know and be anxious to see get a chance.None of these guys cost much nor will they any time soon.With a team so short on offense why not trade(if possible)the easiest to replace big money guy in that group?I just think the money can be spent in a better way that would ultimately outweigh the lose of Cordero.


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