Turn Off Ads?
Page 47 of 51 FirstFirst ... 37434445464748495051 LastLast
Results 691 to 705 of 755

Thread: What's the latest with Gomes?

  1. #691
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New York, NY
    Posts
    8,827

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    he seems to misread balls quite often. As long as he hits he is the best option for the time being.

    Found it interesting that Dunn leads the league in XBH and total bases. I would have never thought that possible.
    I heard somewhere that Dunn actually has altered his swing some this year and as a result, he should be more of a "complete" hitter. The swing will sacrifice some HRs as a result.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #692
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    15,931

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    The defensive metrics are fallible. My eyes say Gomes has been OK, and I see most games. Reputation is often overstated.
    It's not just how often you've seen Gomes -- it's your internal concept of what average LF defense looks like. As a comparison, many of us thought that EE was better than the defensive metrics suggested. Watching Rolen has been a revelation -- and yet he's slowed down a bit, lost some range, and is now merely average.

    I don't think most Reds fans have a good concept of what LF could be.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  4. #693
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,283

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Gomes hurt his shoulder in 2006 and then was in and out of the lineup over the following two seasons, for whatever reason. But to use that against him is kind of lame, almost like a last ditch effort to prove now what seems to be a very incorrect position from last offseason. Dickerson should have started in LF, Heisey now should be playing there, maybe Kal Daniels can get in shape and play out there, etc etc etc.

    It's so weird, I remember guys like Keppinger and Ross becoming mini-celebs on the board due to their small sample size play, the new Krivsky specials. Now Gomes has produced more offensively than these guys ever did over 525 PAs (WOY note: over 2 seasons) and we are just trying to find more and more reasons to bring him down. His defense, his shoulder injury from 2006, his prom date, whatever we can dig up. I'm wondering if it has more to do with the GM that signed him than the player himself. Because I'm not sure that there are many reasons left.

    Guys, you are Reds fans and Jonny Gomes has been a phenomenal player for them this season. Not sure if you realized that.
    oy freaking vey. Are you serious?

    1st of all, Kepp was never seen as a starter. Maybe by a very few, but most saw him as a nice little pickup as a role player. He is and was a statue defensively, and offensively he had a little upside. He was Thug Life 2.0. Ross was an astute buy low catcher for a team that, well, had no catcher. And he way overperformed. If your point is the Reds have had guys that overperformed and Gomes might be one of them, then I can't fault you there.

    But that isn't your point, is it. No your point seems to be that Gomes has somehow at age 29 turned a corner and is now a 600 PA player with a near .900 OPS bat. That his defense, which btw, will likely only get worse in the coming months is irrelevant.

    How often do you think it happens and sustains itself? Now of all the times it has happened, Pena, Cantu, Branyan, Huff etc. remove the 1B and DH's.

    small list huh? when you get to two names let me know.

    He's the outlier's outlier. Enjoy it while we can but plan for tomorrow.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  5. #694
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,071

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    It's not just how often you've seen Gomes -- it's your internal concept of what average LF defense looks like. As a comparison, many of us thought that EE was better than the defensive metrics suggested. Watching Rolen has been a revelation -- and yet he's slowed down a bit, lost some range, and is now merely average.

    I don't think most Reds fans have a good concept of what LF could be.
    Validity to this. However, every Reds game is against an opponent with their own LF.

    I'm not biased. Rolen's decline has been apparent to me. And I happen to think Stubbs' defense is overrated on this board.

    I've seen plenty, and Gomes, while not good, is not godawful. He's mediocre.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  6. #695
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,883

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    It still sounds like there are people who wouldn't give Gomes 1 million for 2011 if that was a decision they had to make today.

  7. #696
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,071

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    It still sounds like there are people who wouldn't give Gomes 1 million for 2011 if that was a decision they had to make today.
    Folks are holding to their preseason assessments of Gomes. No one likes to be wrong.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  8. #697
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,283

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    I'd give him 1 mil.

    I wouldn't give him the starting LF job though.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  9. #698
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,883

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    A season is a season, cross seasons is nice barroom talk, but it's barroom talk
    You were the one who asked for 600 ab's. Production is production. His sample size gets bigger by the day.

  10. #699
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,283

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    You were the one who asked for 600 ab's. Production is production. His sample size gets bigger by the day.
    A full season is a different animal than two half seasons. Yes he's piling up numbers. He's never sniffed 120 games or 500 AB's.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  11. #700
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    15,931

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    I heard somewhere that Dunn actually has altered his swing some this year and as a result, he should be more of a "complete" hitter. The swing will sacrifice some HRs as a result.
    He's certainly swinging at more balls outside of the zone than he ever has before. His strikeouts are holding steady but his walk rate would be a career low. His ISO is slightly above his career level. His LD% is right at his career average. But his .362 BABIP sure is pretty....

    He's basically trading walks for singles and a few doubles, but some of those are probably undeserved. For all talk about a changed approach, he's still basically the same guy who's just getting lucky.

    The power of the desire to find an explanation for which a person can take credit (as opposed to random variation) is quite strong...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

  12. #701
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,071

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    I'd give him 1 mil.

    I wouldn't give him the starting LF job though.
    His option is 1.75 million, and if the option is declined, Gomes must be released. Exercise it, or lose him.

    No brainer. You exercise the option.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  13. #702
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,383

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    You were the one who asked for 600 ab's. Production is production. His sample size gets bigger by the day.
    Cross season stats are nice, but they are not ONE season.

  14. #703
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,071

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    He's certainly swinging at more balls outside of the zone than he ever has before. His strikeouts are holding steady but his walk rate would be a career low. He's basically trading walks for singles and a few doubles, but some of those are probably undeserved. For all talk about a changed approach, he's still basically the same guy who's just getting lucky.
    Sounds like a changed approach to me.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  15. #704
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,883

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Cross season stats are nice, but they are not ONE season.
    When making decisions on how a player will do from here on out...it is perfectly acceptable to look back over his past 500 or 600 AB's.

  16. #705
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,296

    Re: What's the latest with Gomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    But that isn't your point, is it. No your point seems to be that Gomes has somehow at age 29 turned a corner and is now a 600 PA player with a near .900 OPS bat. That his defense, which btw, will likely only get worse in the coming months is irrelevant.
    Gomes was injured a few years back. I have no idea why this isn't taken into account. I do understand that there isn't a stat for injury effect, therefore potentially making it difficult to comprehend, but he got injured which affected his production. So take his injury season numbers, which greatly skew his overall stats, and throw them away. As we can see, he has had some pretty wild swings in stats over the years. Take a guess when he got injured and had surgery on his shoulder, which may or may not have affected his offensive output.

    What we have seen from the guy are 525 PAs in Cincinnati that have been pretty friggin good. I know they aren't as good as what Dickerson would provide or what Heisey will provide if given the chance, but still pretty good. The guy is healthy right now and producing.

    I don't think he "turned a corner" at age 29. I think he got an opportunity when healthy at the age of 28 and has run with it ever since. Maybe the corner was turned in 2005 when he OPSed .906 as a 24 year old, pre-injury. Or maybe this is one 525 PA illusion, which it could be. But for now I think he is a valuable player on this team.

    One question...why do you think his defense will likely get worse over the coming months?


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25