94 and winning the division and the NLCS but falling in the WS to Toronto in 6
94 Reds / 86 Cards / 85 Pirates / 76 Cubs / 72 Brewers
It's kind of like the reverse Paul Janish. For a "great" defensive shortstop, he is more like "good" IMO.
Defense can only help to a point...at some stage you will need to score some runs.
1) We put up with years of Dunn's defense in LF, skewing our baseline of what acceptable defense in LF looks like
2) The defensive metrics which use batted ball data (that I've seen) are unanimous in showing him as a consistently below average LF.
3) In terms of watching somebody play defense, our eyes are biased. If a fast guy takes a bad route and the ball squirts by him, we think that the guy screwed up and count it against him. If a guy just gets a mediocre jump and doesn't have the wheels to get to the ball, despite taking a good route, we count it as a hit and don't hold it against him. Same outcome, both resulting from a lack of defensive ability -- different judgment. Particularly when it comes to OF, people have a hard time placing the performance their seeing in a neutral context.
By contrast, most of our other LF candidates are above average defensively. That offsets a good portion of, if not all, of the differential value his bat provides.
Don't get me wrong, I think Gomes belongs on a major league roster somewhere. I just don't think it's in Cincy given the traffic jam of imperfect candidates we already have -- some of whom have much more upside than Gomes. I don't think he represents much of an upgrade, if any, to the major league roster and don't want him taking away PA from developing players in AAA.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 02-03-2010 at 05:00 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Those on here not wanting Gomes, were you unhappy with his 09 performance? I wasn't and I'd gamble a small amount of payroll to see if he can keep it up in 10. If if someone else steps up...all the better
Last edited by kaldaniels; 02-03-2010 at 06:36 PM.
Gomes will clearly give us a good bat vs left handed starters. if he gets beat out as a starter/everyday left fielder by one of our prospects then he would make a fine bench bat. if the Reds can sign him to a cheap minor league deal whats not to like?
I'm also in the camp that believes his defense is not as bad as advertised, and that we can spare the LF defense, as the rest of our D is very solid, and we need any bat we can get right now.
Mostly, I wouldn't mind Gomes on the team because he and Rolen and Cabrera and Hernandez are tough position players who like to win and know what they are doing out there.
Last edited by Kc61; 02-03-2010 at 06:01 PM.
when you look back at recent outfield gold glove winners you won't find very many left fielders....tons of cf'ers and plenty of rf'ers. This isn't to say that you can stick any stiff out in left but it is further evidence that if you have to be weak somewhere defensively that you look to left field(depending on your park of course). Even more evidence would be that every time you have a bat that you want to get into the lineup everyone seems to always suggest that they stick them in left field...Francisco and Votto would be recent examples.