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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    I personally hope Denove takes some starts away form Corky down at AAA. He showed some nice potential with the bat last year.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    If there is any area of concern, one thing that seems to stick out to me is the lack of hitting prospects from Dayton through Carolina.

    Sure Rojas has a good glove, and guys like Wiley and Coddington have outperformed their expectations. But realistically, other than Fellhauer, Soto and Mesoraco- all of which have huge question marks of their own- there is not a single real hitting prospect in the bunch. Not one player who you could say with any degree of confidence will have a real major league career. That concerns me.

    Still though, the organization is in a MUCH better place than its been in years- especially considering the pitching, which looks pretty strong across the organization.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    If there is any area of concern, one thing that seems to stick out to me is the lack of hitting prospects from Dayton through Carolina.

    Sure Rojas has a good glove, and guys like Wiley and Coddington have outperformed their expectations. But realistically, other than Fellhauer, Soto and Mesoraco- all of which have huge question marks of their own- there is not a single real hitting prospect in the bunch. That concerns me.

    Still though, the organization is in a MUCH better place than its been in years- especially considering the pitching, which looks pretty strong across the organization.
    Are you counting the guys who will be in Dayton this year?

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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Are you counting the guys who will be in Dayton this year?
    Depends if a guy like Yorman Rodriguez will be in Dayton. I hope he will, but everyone else's projections seem to think he won't.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    If there is any area of concern, one thing that seems to stick out to me is the lack of hitting prospects from Dayton through Carolina.

    Sure Rojas has a good glove, and guys like Wiley and Coddington have outperformed their expectations. But realistically, other than Fellhauer, Soto and Mesoraco- all of which have huge question marks of their own- there is not a single real hitting prospect in the bunch. That concerns me.

    Still though, the organization is in a MUCH better place than its been in years- especially considering the pitching, which looks pretty strong across the organization.
    That actually doesn't concern me as much given the relative youth of the MLB team, and the fact that almost every position at AAA has a legit prospect. The two rookie teams plus whoever graduates to Dayton is where the wave of talent following the Reds/Bats roster will come from. And it's an interesting, athletic bunch.Right now at High A/AA I want to see the pitching flourish. Some bats would be nice too, but the pitching AT THIS POINT is what is important.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    If I remember correctly each Affiliates roster only has 24 players...

    So mine is based on those constraints...

    Reds

    1B Votto*
    2B Phillips
    3B Rolen
    SS Caberera
    LF Balentien
    CF Stubbs
    RF Bruce*
    C Hernandez

    OF Nix*
    OF Dickerson*
    IF Janish
    UT Miles
    C Hanigan

    SP Harang
    SP Arroyo
    SP Cueto
    SP Bailey
    SP Owings

    LR Lincoln
    LR Herrera*
    MR Burton
    MR Fisher
    MR Rhodes*
    SU Massett
    CL Cordero


    AAA

    1B Alonso*
    2B Valakia
    3B Francisco*
    SS Cozart
    LF Frazier
    CF Heisey
    RF Dorn*
    C Denove

    IF Cairo
    UT Sutton#
    OF Anderson
    C Miller


    SP Maloney*
    SP Lehr
    SP Wood*
    SP Lecure
    SP Klinker

    LR Thompson
    LR Cochran*
    MR Del Rosario
    MR Bray*
    MR Viola*
    SU Ondrusek
    CL Adkins


    AA

    1B Parker*
    2B Kahaulelio
    3B Negron#
    SS Castro
    LF Henry
    CF Sapplett
    RF Dainelson
    C Castillo#

    C Yarbrough*
    IF Eymann
    OF Kainer
    UT Griffin


    SP Smith
    SP Leake
    SP Chapman*
    SP Buck
    SP Smit*

    LR Avery
    LR Tabor*
    MR Krebs*
    MR Valiquette*
    MR Thurman*
    MR Watson
    CL Young


    A+

    1B Mendez
    2B Buchholtz
    3B Soto
    SS Rojas
    LF Wiley*
    CF Reed*
    RF Fellhauser*
    C Mesorasco

    IF Puckett
    C Coddington
    OF Phipps
    DH Day*


    SP Horst*
    SP Carroll
    SP Fairel*
    SP Partch
    SP Janke

    LR Serrano
    LR Freeman
    MR Salinas
    MR Gaffney
    MR Gonzalez*
    SU Beal
    CL Joesph*


    A-

    1B Konstany
    2B Kuo*
    3B Rodriguez#
    SS Gregorious*
    LF Oliveras*
    CF Means
    RF Conteras
    C Manz*

    C Fleury*
    OF Conner*
    OF Brown*
    IF Gualdron


    SP Sulbaran
    SP Ravin
    SP Boxberger
    SP Villrreal
    SP Walker*

    LR Infante*
    LR Ware
    MR Santana
    MR Kummett
    MR Panerati*
    SU Molina
    CL Pearl



    Billings

    1B Richburg
    2B Pimental#
    3B Stramp
    SS Hamilton#
    LF Silva*
    CF Rodriguez
    RF Bowe*
    C Vicious

    UT Barnhardt
    C Wideman
    OF Garton*
    IF Sierra


    SP Hildenbrandt
    SP Cline
    SP Tuttle
    SP Johnson
    SP Chiu*

    LR Adames
    LR Driessen*
    MR Cannon
    MR Clarke
    MR Wiley
    SU Walczak
    CL Corcino


    AZL

    1B Stewart
    1B Lutz*
    3B C. Rodriguez
    RF Duran
    OF Morrison
    C Y. Gonzalez


    DSL Candidates for AZL

    SS Arias

    SS Valor

    C Y. Lopez .351 OBP as a 16 year old .667 OPS

    IF Chacoa# - Gotta give him a US look eventually

    1B Sanchez* 26 XBH outta 46 total Lead team with 17 2B 4 3B 2nd with 5 HR .437 SLG
    K rate was low at 16.2% BB rate was a decent 8.9%

    3B Baez - I really like this kid. Only 19.
    Big time Sleeper.
    Over last 2 months line was:
    .287/.368/.463/.831 OPS Over 97 AB's with 10 BB and 14K's

    OF Moreno .391/.367/.758 Line at 17... low K rate 14.4% High BB rate at 13.4%

    SP Correja
    SP Gullion
    SP Marizan*
    SP Morillo*
    SP Quezada

    Extended Spring Training (Injury Rehab/Reinforcements)

    SP Shucnick
    SP Lotzkar
    SP Carson
    SP Crabbe
    SP Castro

    RP Lutz
    RP J. Martinez*
    RP Braun
    RP Pizziconi*
    RP R. Rodriguez


    No idea where to put em...
    (fighting for a job)

    1B Nurre
    2B Feiner
    IF Burke
    3B Pfister
    SS Carson
    OF West
    OF Terrero
    OF LaBoy
    OF Chapman
    C Bour
    C Long
    C McMurray
    C Weems*

    SP Reineke
    SP Webb*
    SP Montano
    SP Guerrero

    RP DeJesus
    RP Medina
    RP Gil
    RP Ward*
    RP Delgado
    RP Baez
    RP Geronimo
    RP Otterness
    RP Pawelek*
    RP Asjes
    RP Bohana
    RP Bowman*
    RP Henry
    RP Gardner
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    That actually doesn't concern me as much given the relative youth of the MLB team, and the fact that almost every position at AAA has a legit prospect. The two rookie teams plus whoever graduates to Dayton is where the wave of talent following the Reds/Bats roster will come from. And it's an interesting, athletic bunch.Right now at High A/AA I want to see the pitching flourish. Some bats would be nice too, but the pitching AT THIS POINT is what is important.
    Very true.

    However if you wanted to critique any part of the minor league organization, that is the biggest area of weakness that I would highlight. I do agree that it is not as much of a concern given we have at least one very good player/prospect under 25 at almost every relevant position (aside from C, 2B and maybe SS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Depends if a guy like Yorman Rodriguez will be in Dayton. I hope he will, but everyone else's projections seem to think he won't.
    I don't think he will, I just wasn't sure if you were including guys like Gregorius, H Rodriguez, Fleury and the likes in the Dayton group.

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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Very true.

    However if you wanted to critique any part of the minor league organization, that is the biggest area of weakness that I would highlight. I do agree that it is not as much of a concern given we have at least one very good player/prospect under 25 at almost every relevant position (aside from C, 2B and maybe SS).
    Not a fan of Cozart, Valaika or the handful of catchers we have? I have always maintained that Valaika could be a decent 2B in the pros. But after having watched some recent footage of Valaika I am not sure that is going to happen he has gotten thicker and IMO slower footed. He probably will end up that UT IF that he was 1st reported to be when he was drafted. He could play 3B but I doubt his bat would play there enough to consider him an everyday player, but stranger things have happened.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Not a fan of Cozart, Valaika or the handful of catchers we have? I have always maintained that Valaika could be a decent 2B in the pros. But after having watched some recent footage of Valaika I am not sure that is going to happen he has gotten thicker and IMO slower footed. He probably will end up that UT IF that he was 1st reported to be when he was drafted. He could play 3B but I doubt his bat would play there enough to consider him an everyday player, but stranger things have happened.
    I agree with your most recent assessment of Valaika- he looks like a utility guy to me. Cozart has the potential to be a starter if he continues to improve with the stick- that is why I said "maybe SS."

    At this point, there is no catcher in the organization that appears to be a serious prospect. Coddington has outperformed so far, and Mesoraco can show flashes of potential, but there still is no one who I could confidently say is a significant part of the future at this point. If Mesoraco holds his own in AA this season (if he makes it that far), that may change. By holding his own, I'd like to see an OPS > .750, not "improved peripherals" with a poor slash line. Conversely if either guy can maintain an OPS well over .800 in Lynchburg, I'd be fine with that too- assuming they continue to improve defensively.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Nice effort Nemesis. You remembered Terrell Young, whom many of us had slipped on. One note though: Konstanty is now a pitcher. Rosters are 24 in Triple-A and Double-A for the first 30 days, then they are 23. They are 25 all year in Single-A.

    Another guy we are leaving out is Jeff Jeffords, who showed some promise in 08 and has a good arm but missed 09 with an injury.

    I am going to post the entire list of farm system players in a new thread.
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    I remembered all those guys.

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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by redsof72 View Post
    Nice effort Nemesis. You remembered Terrell Young, whom many of us had slipped on. One note though: Konstanty is now a pitcher. Rosters are 24 in Triple-A and Double-A for the first 30 days, then they are 23. They are 25 all year in Single-A.

    Another guy we are leaving out is Jeff Jeffords, who showed some promise in 08 and has a good arm but missed 09 with an injury.

    I am going to post the entire list of farm system players in a new thread.
    Thank You 72.

    I also forgot Read the CFer who signed late and should be in AZL and did the Reds ever sign Christiani (sp?) out of Vandy?
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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    Thank You 72.

    I also forgot Read the CFer who signed late and should be in AZL and did the Reds ever sign Christiani (sp?) out of Vandy?
    The Reds did sign Chrstiani.

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    Re: Build the rosters of each affiliate

    The schedule works out perfectly for the REDS to have a 4-man rotation until May 19th.

    The first time a 5th starter is needed is April 14th.

    The second time a 5th starter is needed is April 24th.

    The third time a 5th starter is needed is May 4th.

    The fourth time a 5th starter is needed is May 19th.

    The fifth time a 5th starter is needed is May 24th.


    That knowledge changes the whole dynamics of the Opening Day Roster. The REDS can have an extra bat (14 hitters and 10 pitchers), which is great.

    Assuming the health to be good for everyone, we'll have:

    Arroyo
    Harang
    Cueto
    Bailey


    ....as our 4 starters through May 18th, with only 3 starts needed before that by a pitcher other than them. Sounds like the perfect job for Micah Owings, who would get those 3 starts, then a 4th start on May 19th if he'd earned it by his showings in his first three starts. If not a 5th starter can be brought up May 19th, or wait until May 24th. One of the pitchers who has been pitching in AAA could get the call up with one of the AA pitchers taking his place (or the "6th" Starter who wasn't ready by the 2nd Week of April).

    I don't think the REDS want any of those guys listed in my AAA "starters" coming out of the bullpen while waiting to start games on those dates from above.

    It's possible that the REDS go straight to a 5-man rotation out of Spring Training and let every one pitch every 6th day instead of every 5th day until May 19th. One reason to do that is because the REDS have too many pitchers who should be pitching at the AA and AAA level. The easiest way to solve this problem though is to assume that 20% of the staff isn't going to be ready on Opening Day and will need extended Spring Training. Only those who are truly ready will get to pitch at the start of April.

    Anyone else, and the REDS are going to want to have them pitching every day.

    So, to begin with the AAA starters should look like (among these 6 assuming one won't be healthy enough to be ready the 2nd Week of April):

    Wood
    Maloney
    Lehr
    LeCure
    Cochran
    Thompson



    The AA starters should look like this (among these 7 assuming two won't be healthy enough to start or be ready the 2nd Week of April):

    Chapman
    Smit
    Mallett
    Klinker
    Avery
    Jordan Smith
    Leake


    As soon as May 24th arrives, or Owings proves he's not up to the task, there will be a trickle-up effect that clears up the logjam of pitchers.

    You can't have too much pitching, so this is a very, very good thing.

    I haven't seen this much "decent" pitching in the REDS' organization since I've been alive to notice (I've been noticing for about 38 years since I was 12 and had access to libraries and The Sporting News and Baseball Digest.).
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