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    CF and Lead off hitter

    Dusty is going to give us another line up which produces few top of the order runs. He will use Stubbs as lead off hitter followed by Cabrera. This is a disaster in the making. A combined OBP of less than .320. Maybe we will win 80 games with this top of the order. Stubbs's numbers in minors do not justify him as a starter. Start Dickinson (OBP .370) and send Stubbs to Loiusville to play full time. If he gets hurt, then Stubbs can replace him.

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    There's an entire thread on this over in tORG. I think you'll find justification as to why Stubbs is the better option to give 500 AB's in CF this year. I suggest you take a read.

    Stubbs power potential gives him Ricky Henderson-type leadoff potential. He had tons of power in the college, just hasn't translated much in his minor league career - but he flashed some in his MLB stint, and it may be here to stay.

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    The Reds system is loaded with Center Fielders. I could care less if its Stubbs, Dickerson, Heisley or down the road Yorman. Each individual has their strengths.

    Right Field should be fine with Bruce, but thats not a positive either.

    Left field is the biggest concern for the Reds. They have a number of guys fighting for this spot, but I'm not sure any can turn into the monster bat we need.

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    Left field is not the biggest concern for the reds. They have plenty of players int he system for left field as well.

    Finding a true lead off hitter/ CF is the primary concern for the outfield.

    This team desperately needs a lead off hitter.


    Stubbs flashes of power came with a huge price. That price being strikeouts. Take a peak at those numbers last year.

    Im very concern with the whole stubbs Lead off hitter for the year thing.

    OC behind him is much less of a concern. Im betting before the season is over people might be crying to let OC leadoff and push stubbs down the order. Im hoping im wrong and stubbs becomes a great leadoff.

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    I disagree, any of the CF options will improve the lead off position. The Reds leadoff position has been terrible for 3 years now, I can't see it getting worse or being a concern.

    A big RH bat in the middle of the line up is what needs fixed on this team, BP is not a #4 hitter and never should be.

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    The Center Field position should be played out in Spring Training and the winner gets to open the year there. Bruce is the only player who truly needs the At-bats every day. The REDS have to "force" him to improve. All others can earn it.

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    Heisey
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    3 young guys that are going to continue to surprise.

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    i wanna see heisey and frazier up soon, from all the talk i hear about them, sounds like they are tearing up AAA ball. no reason leaving them down there longer than they need to be.

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    If Heisey keeps up his early looking bat throughout Spring, it'll be hard to send him down.

    Frazier has a chance to stay with this team as the Super-Utility guy, but that would mean not playing everyday. If his ultimate ceiling is Super-Utility guy, then yeah bring him up, but methinks the FO sees him as a possible(hopeful?) FT 2B/3B/OF, so not sure that is the best way to develop him.

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    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

    Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rover View Post
    The Reds leadoff position has been terrible for 3 years now, I can't see it getting worse or being a concern.

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    I agree it cant get worse. But if it stays bad then it definitely is Still a concern.

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    Gotta go with Stubbs. I think he has a much higher upside than any other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rover View Post
    The Reds leadoff position has been terrible for 3 years now, I can't see it getting worse or being a concern.
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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    From C. Trent:

    Dusty on Dickerson: 'You can be disappointed all you want to, but he allowed Stubbs to get his foot in the door.'

    http://twitter.com/ctrent

    More Dusty on Dickerson: 'Stubbs hit 8 home runs in probably 1/2 the at-bats Dickerson had, what did Dickerson have, 2? Reality’s reality.'

    http://twitter.com/cnatist10


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    I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008

    Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic View Post
    i wanna see heisey and frazier up soon, from all the talk i hear about them, sounds like they are tearing up AAA ball. no reason leaving them down there longer than they need to be.
    I don't want real potential in the big leagues just to say they are in the big leagues. I didn't mind when they brought up Janish and Rosales b/c they weren't going to improve with more seasoning. Let Heisey and Frazier get everyday at bats. Let them hone their craft, let them mature. When the time is right, and sitting on the bench is not the right time, then bring them up. Someone will get hurt, they always do.

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    Re: CF and Lead off hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by ian_madden View Post
    I don't want real potential in the big leagues just to say they are in the big leagues. I didn't mind when they brought up Janish and Rosales b/c they weren't going to improve with more seasoning. Let Heisey and Frazier get everyday at bats. Let them hone their craft, let them mature. When the time is right, and sitting on the bench is not the right time, then bring them up. Someone will get hurt, they always do.
    Kinda' what I was thinking. I see Miles as being the super-sub for this year. If he flops, or someone is injured, then bring on the prospects.


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