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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If someone is going to throw a fit and act like they are 10 and their dad is the coach because I offer something that could improve the team, then I don't want that guy on my team anyways. Sure, players like that exist but I would tell them that they do what I fill out on the lineup card until they are no longer on my team. If the player is more about him than the team, well I can simply solve my problem by trading that guy.
    Deal with many people and their needs much?

    Baseball is a reflection of life, people act that way everywhere and sometimes they can't be traded, i suggest someone "manage" their behavior.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    So now we're going to trade our best player to make room for a prospect with barely any minor league expierence?
    Not this second, no. But if Alonso shows that he is going to have a very high likelihood of being a legit bat and I approach Votto and he says absolutely no way am I even trying to play LF.... then you bet your bottom dollar I will trade him. You are part of a team. You aren't the team. If you would rather have your way at the expense of the other 24 players on the team, then well, I am going to move you for someone else.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

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    Deal with many people and their needs much?

    Baseball is a reflection of life, people act that way everywhere and sometimes they can't be traded, i suggest someone "manage" their behavior.
    When people I know act like spoiled babies when they don't get their way, I call them out on it. If they still want to be like that, then I just stop associating with them. If it were to come to that with Votto, he could be traded for a big return I am sure and I could let someone else deal with his ego. All hypothetical situations of course, but if that's how it went down when asked, that is exactly how I would respond.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    I'm hoping we won't have to face some of the scenarios being suggested here because I'm hoping Votto will see, sometime between July and the beginning of 2011, that the best way for this team to contend is to have him, Jay Bruce, and Alonso in the lineup at the same time. As for trading Alonso, I'm not interested in anybody I've seen mentioned here, which is simply to say I think he's a lot--a lot--better prospect than he's given credit for here.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    When people I know act like spoiled babies when they don't get their way, I call them out on it. If they still want to be like that, then I just stop associating with them. If it were to come to that with Votto, he could be traded for a big return I am sure and I could let someone else deal with his ego. All hypothetical situations of course, but if that's how it went down when asked, that is exactly how I would respond.
    I don't think you can characterize somebody that way just because they would rather not do something that isn't even in their best interest. Votto has been asked to move already in his career and did so and has made the most of it. What happens next you ask him to move yet again when you the f.o. make another foolish transaction? It shouldn't come to asking Votto to do anything IMO he has earned the right to stay at 1st base, what is next we ask Cueto or Bailey to move to closer just because they can do it? Moving Alonso to another team if done properly can help just as well maybe more, and if not put him in LF and live with it.
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by gm View Post
    Casey or Konerko? I love Sean but...really?

    The day "way over" Yonder was drafted I said he was a BPA to be traded when his value was ripe

    No reason to change that take. Alonzo is a DH, Cincy is a NL team
    Bravo, good sir. You're the only person in the thread to draw the parallel between 2010 and a dozen years ago.

    Though you do lose a couple of points because you left Dmitri Young out of the equation. Remember when Da Meat Hook was shifted to the hot corner? He made Willie Greene look like Brooks Robinson.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Time for a SAT Question:
    Joey Votto is Canadian. Canada won the Gold Medal in Hockey. Therefore Joey Votto should be the 1B for the Reds for the next 15 years.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

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    Though you do lose a couple of points because you left Dmitri Young out of the equation. Remember when Da Meat Hook was shifted to the hot corner? He made Willie Greene look like Brooks Robinson.
    God bless Dimitri, he really tried out there. Some guys wouldn't play because they had cramps or something like that so they had to put Dimitri at 3rd.
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    When people I know act like spoiled babies when they don't get their way, I call them out on it. If they still want to be like that, then I just stop associating with them. If it were to come to that with Votto, he could be traded for a big return I am sure and I could let someone else deal with his ego. All hypothetical situations of course, but if that's how it went down when asked, that is exactly how I would respond.
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    When people I know act like spoiled babies when they don't get their way, I call them out on it. If they still want to be like that, then I just stop associating with them. If it were to come to that with Votto, he could be traded for a big return I am sure and I could let someone else deal with his ego. All hypothetical situations of course, but if that's how it went down when asked, that is exactly how I would respond.
    Just another thought here. How long do you think you would keep your job if Pujols didn't want to move to 3rd for Fielder, because according to you he would be gone?!
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Just another thought here. How long do you think you would keep your job if Pujols didn't want to move to 3rd for Fielder, because according to you he would be gone?!
    Not all that sure. But I wouldn't let the players tell me what is best for the team.

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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    When people I know act like spoiled babies when they don't get their way, I call them out on it. If they still want to be like that, then I just stop associating with them. If it were to come to that with Votto, he could be traded for a big return I am sure and I could let someone else deal with his ego. All hypothetical situations of course, but if that's how it went down when asked, that is exactly how I would respond.
    I'll point out that you can be the guy who fills out lineup cards or you can be the guy who makes trades, but you aren't going to be both guys. And if you're a manager in a tiff with a star player over a position-change ultimatum, it bears remembering that you're a lot easier to replace. It doesn't mean you have to give in, but the reasoning had better be airtight and the GM had better have your back. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Not all that sure. But I wouldn't let the players tell me what is best for the team.
    JMO and I know where you are coming from but I'm not so sure that what you are promoting is what is best for the team. Not only would Votto likely have an issue with it whether he said anything or not I think many others on the team would as well. Would it be best for the team or the individuals?
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Not this second, no. But if Alonso shows that he is going to have a very high likelihood of being a legit bat and I approach Votto and he says absolutely no way am I even trying to play LF.... then you bet your bottom dollar I will trade him. You are part of a team. You aren't the team. If you would rather have your way at the expense of the other 24 players on the team, then well, I am going to move you for someone else.
    So you trade a near-1.000 OPS bat to make a point about team unity and open a spot for a kid who's never hit a big league fastball?

    I'll be kind and just say that I respectfully disagree.
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    Re: Alonso trying 3B, OF. Jocketty: "I don't see us moving Joey"

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    So you trade a near-1.000 OPS bat to make a point about team unity and open a spot for a kid who's never hit a big league fastball?

    I'll be kind and just say that I respectfully disagree.
    I don't expect Votto to continue to be a near 1.000 OPS bat moving forward, .900 yes, but not 1.000. And I would certainly consider doing just that if the situation played out where Alonso were absolutely killing it and Votto said 'No way, no how am I ever moving because I am more important than the team'.


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