99-63 WS champs (Cards take 2nd WC, Mil 3rd, Pit 4th, Chi 5th)
Bruce/Votto neck and neck MVP race (neither takes it)
Bailey CYA winner
Hamilton ROY & GG
Last edited by membengal; 03-01-2010 at 06:40 PM.
If Alonso puts up the kind of numbers in AAA that I expect he will, then Votto should be told to move to LF and like it for the good of the team. Given the fact the team will control Alonso's contract for twice as long as Votto's, it will be quite obvious which one to trade if it comes to that.
Perhaps we should pause this thread for 300 days or so, until it will actually matter. I don't see Alonso as a regular member of this team until next year at the earliest. Too much can happen between now and then (injuries, trade, performance issues, etc.).
Delmon Young was the #1 overall pick in the draft, consensus top prospect, had a career .880 OPS in the minor leagues, and what has he done in the big leagues?
I love prospects, and have probably spent more time worrying about the minor league system in the last decade than I have about the big club. But if you have a 26 year old All-Star with the character of a Votto, you don't trade him to make room for a prospect, period.
The trick of course is making the choice.
Adcock or Klu?
McCovey or Cepeda?
Lee or Tony?
Mark or Rafael?
It's not a bad spot to be in.
i lost interest in the Reds after Marge fired Davey Johnson. The whole time Lindner owned the team i rarely watched. i started being a fan again when Bob C bought the team. the current talent on the big league team combined with the prospects at AA/AAA makes me think we will see another period of the Reds putting a winning team on the field for a while. when the team had its last good run from the mid 80s to the mid 90s they only made the playoffs twice. most of that was before the NL was split into three divisions. i believe if we had the same setup then as now the team would have won the NL central ~5 times.
just dreaming of what the starting pitching of Bailey-Cueto-Volquez-Chapman-Leake-Wood can do has me excited. add Votto, Bruce & the offensive prospects and we are gonna see a lot of winning real soon.
I think you keep the better player. Period. Who that is remains to be seen. Right now obviously it's Votto. But in a year that may look different. Frank Robinson was once a prospect, so was Willy Mays and Roberto Clemente. I'm sure the Reds, Giants, and Pirates all had incumbents too, but then those guys made it clear you had to organize the team around them. So preferring incumbents over prospects as some kind of unalterable rule looks pretty dubious.
I don't think anyone is arguing for "preferring incumbents over prospects as some kind of unalterable rule." However, when you have an incumbent who just turned 26 and has OPSd .924 in over 1000 MAJOR LEAGUE at-bats, I will take that incumbent over any prospect in the game, let alone a guy like Yonder Alonso. I don't care if Alonso goes all Jay Bruce in AAA, I'm not trading Joey Votto for him. If I can play them both at the same time, I will. Otherwise, unless Votto can fetch an unbelievable king's ransom back, Alonso is trade bait.
The Reds time to contend is the next three years. Joey Votto is a critical piece that fits into that timeline. You don't trade him to make room for a prospect, period.
Last edited by Benihana; 03-01-2010 at 08:34 PM.
Wow! It seemed like such an innocuous quote...
All he said was they're not 'asking' Joey to move and they're trying Alonso in different places to see how he looks there. Standard stuff IMO. Alonso hasn't really proven anything...he's not even knocking ON the door, much less knocking it down. If/When Alonso is raking at AAA, then you can address this issue...for first basemen the answer is usually to trade one of them, they don't normally transfer to other positions well.
Now, the real kicker is Votto...he's also the kind of guy who might come to camp next year with an outfielders glove and say "Hey Skip! How's about I try left field for a while?" They may never ask him, but he's the kind of leader that will know what's best for the team.
I really dig that Alonso doesn't want to leave the organization...that says a lot to me. I think he's a smart kid, who knows what it takes to be a Major Leaguer and I think he can see that this team is put together well enough to contend for a ring or two in the future.
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Prediction: Alonso will be a better player than Votto, for whatever team he plays for.