From AOL Fanhouse - http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/02/23/d...erating-table/
More from the article:Code:Dusty Baker Pitches Per Start Year Baker League 1993 86.7 89.3 1994 91.0 88.8 1995 89.6 85.8 1996 97.7 83.1 1997 94.9 88.4 1998 93.9 91.6 1999 103.8 95.8 2000 102.5 97.2 2001 99.7 93.8 2002 100.9 93 2003 103.5 93.5 2004 99.0 93.8 2005 97.7 95.4 2006 91.9 94.5 2008 97.9 93.9 2009 98.7 94.4
With the Reds Baker has had 42% more PAP than the league average.Analysts at Baseball Prospectus have been studying possible overuse of pitchers since at least 1998, when they developed a metric known as Pitcher Abuse Points. PAP essentially counts pitches thrown over 100, adding weight to the extra pitches the higher the total goes.
Baker's teams were below the league average in PAP in his first three seasons, but since then they have been above in 12 of the past 13 years. In 2002 with the Giants and 2003 with the Cubs, Baker's teams racked up more than three times the number of PAP of the average among the other teams in the league.
Last edited by dougdirt; 03-02-2010 at 02:34 PM.
Actually, Doug is right, that Dusty's starters historically have thrown more pitches than the average pitcher. It was in an article posted here a week or so back. (which Doug has found)
However, there is no evidence that Dusty's starting pitchers break down at a greater rate than other manager's pitchers . Basically, Wood and Prior broke down together, right after spending time with Dusty, so everyone concluded that Dusty ruins arms.
If you look at his history, Dusty's pitchers as a whole have broken down at the same rate as any other manager's pitchers.
I have no more worries about Dusty ruining Reds pitchers than I had about Narron, Boone, McKeon, Johnson, or even Lou.
Last edited by TheNext44; 03-02-2010 at 02:36 PM.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
Pedro - see my post again, I hit submit too soon and have added more to it.
School's out. What did you expect?
PAP points have been debated heavily, and all I can say succinctly is that they are pretty meaningless. No study, zero research has shown that pitches above the 100 count mark add additional wear and tear on a pitchers arm. The only studies that I have seen on the subject show that for pitchers under 25 years old, throwing over 120 pitches a game seems to lead to more injuries. I value RBI's more than I value PAP's.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
This I agree with. When that point comes is dependent on so many factors that choosing a random, round number like 100 seems silly.
Watch the pitcher. If he is changing his mechanics, pull him. If he shows signs of laboring, pull him. Just don't use a convenient, round number to do the deciding for you.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
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