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    Re: The price of success

    Enjoyment of the Reds predicated on who the manager is? Amazing. Of course, there was a pocket of people who thought Sparky was a buffoon. I imagine they missed a lot of baseball as a result, but I seriously doubt that baseball missed them.
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    Re: The price of success

    1. I suspect the Braves routinely led all of baseball is pitches per start during the club's heyday. Pitch well and you'll throw more pitches. That's how baseball works - good players do more.

    2. Dusty Baker is identifiably good at handling a bullpen.

    3. Isn't every team that's not an obvious contender a darkhorse possibility to contend for the playoffs?

    4. Given the paltry attendance last season, does the team have to be successful right out of the gate to avoid a complete tear down?
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    Re: The price of success

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    1. I suspect the Braves routinely led all of baseball is pitches per start during the club's heyday. Pitch well and you'll throw more pitches. That's how baseball works - good players do more.

    2. Dusty Baker is identifiably good at handling a bullpen.

    3. Isn't every team that's not an obvious contender a darkhorse possibility to contend for the playoffs?

    4. Given the paltry attendance last season, does the team have to be successful right out of the gate to avoid a complete tear down?

    I agree with your first three points.

    On number four, though....I think the club is young enough that Walt and Bob can justify riding it out.

    Then again, dumping Harang, Arroyo, Phillips and Rolen could be construed as such.

    As for Dusty...If they win, I can deal with his lineups. I actually kinda like him on a personal level and his players really seem to like him.

    He ain't no Davey Johnson, but I'd kinda miss the Dustyisms.
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    Re: The price of success

    well, at least this board can agree on one thing. Anybody who wants the Reds to have one more crappy year so the manager gets fired is either nuts, sad, or amazing. That's something I guess
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    Re: The price of success

    Quote Originally Posted by IowaRed View Post
    well, at least this board can agree on one thing. Anybody who wants the Reds to have one more crappy year so the manager gets fired is either nuts, sad, or amazing. That's something I guess
    I don't think you're sad or amazing.
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    Re: The price of success

    In game threads last year, there were the fewest discussions in the HISTORY of Redszone during the 6th/7th/8th innings about pitchers being left in the game too long.

    I'm ready to jump on a manager anytime a pitcher is obviously gassed and yet is left out there.....Dusty does it fewer times than any manager since Davey Johnson.
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    Re: The price of success

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    Wasn't McKeon essentially fired after an 86 win season followed a 96 win season? How about Sparky in, was it '77 or '78?

    Yeah, he can be fired.
    He can be fired. No question. But I seriously doubt Walt fires him if the teams wins 88 games this year. 88 puts them in the hunt most of the year, if not all year. He'd get extended in that case.

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    Re: The price of success

    I'm curious to see what people mean by an extension. An 88 win season leading to Baker being brought back next year is markedly different than an 88 win season that leads to a 3 year extension.

    As I said before, I don't care who the manager is as long as the Reds win, and that I think managers generally receive too much credit when the going is good and too much blame when the going is bad. 88 wins and Baker coming back is great, imho. I was twelve years old in 1999 and thirteen in 2000, the last time the Reds were serious playoff contenders. I'm ready to see wins, even if that means frustration about 'Bakermetrics' for the 2011 season and beyond.
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    Re: The price of success

    100 pitches is WAY, WAY too many. Under no circumstances should a pitcher be allowed to throw more than 75 pitches. (And 65 would be preferable.)
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