If the Reds didn't have Rolen and still had Edwin do you think Frazier would now be the starting 3rd baseman?
Most Vottomatic Player
I still think we're getting way ahead of ourselves: this team hasn't won a thing yet.
Last edited by Spring~Fields; 03-18-2010 at 07:15 PM.
Walt had a lot of the future situated nicely when he took over and he will most likely end up benefitting because of that. But he is also positioning the roster to coincide with the maturation of the future, which is smart GMing.
To use the phrase liberally, there's a bit of a "standing on the shoulders of geniuses" going on here. That's not deny Jocketty has done well since he's gotten here. He's not made any large, irresponsible investments and has overseen the maturation of Votto, Bruce, Bailey, Dickerson, Hanigan, etc. But we should give credit where's it due to those people who brought much of this great young talent in to the organization.
I'm tentatively of the opinion that he's dumb like a fox when it comes to the Taveras signing, for example. He knows the only way to build a winner here is to build it from the ground up with a few key vets sprinkled in. But he needed to appease Mr. Losing-Stops-Now in the process.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 03-18-2010 at 08:24 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
And maybe it is true about Walt, but also maybe Walt stood up and told him that the team couldn't continue down the path it was going. Maybe Wayne wanted a GM job so bad he just accepted one that was offered no matter what the situation.
If you have inside knowledge about how this all went down, I'd love to hear it. But I'm not going to assume that Wayne was strong-armed into some of those contracts and decisions he made. What I saw was a rookie GM who had some hits but was overmatched in the world of GMing.
I think a plausible narrative would suggest that all four of the administrations after Jim Bowden's release have made seeming progress toward the goal of our becoming competitive--a status we have yet to achieve, as FCB rightly reminds us.
1. The notion that it's all going to come together for the Reds in 2010 strikes me as highly aspirational. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that there's a lot of moving pieces involved in it.
2. Jocketty has had the benefit of following Krivsky. That doesn't mean Krivsky handed him a finished or nearly finished product, just that he has assets to work with. For instance, as much as some have been inclined to grouse about the money spent on Arroyo, Harang and Cordero, the two starters vacuum up an immense number of innings. Cordero has allowed Baker to put together an orderly bullpen and Jocketty to concentrate on fixing other problems.
3. To his credit, Jocketty has strung together a series of good moves. Getting Rolen undeniably helped the major league product. Chapman, though he'll surely have a learning curve, is a top-end arm. Cabrera was a nice opportunistic buy. Balentien could be a factor. He tried to add some reserve player depth to the roster too (though that remains a bit up in the air). Jocketty's on a bit of run since midway through last season. If he keeps stringing moves together, good things will happen. The challenge he faces is that the club constantly faces a veteran talent bleed, which makes it hard to get ahead (and harder to stay ahead if it ever gets ahead).
Raisel Ghul, the Demon's Head
Make that a thing.
Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.