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    Re: Juan Francisco

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    I have trouble understanding why ANYONE would want to be a catcher.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    If you are good, it's a fast track to the majors.
    And pays a little more with better job security if you play it well enough. Randy Winn I'd think has been a more productive player in his career than Greg Zaun but I suspect Zaun has made as much or more dough. Just a hunch but being a premium position I'd think that'd be the case.
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    Re: Juan Francisco

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    That would be the best possible semi-successful player he could be compared to IMO. And even then Francisco comes up short in the comparison, which is telling. Follow Jeff's career arc and that is best case scenario.
    I don't think its even close to the best case scenario. Its likely a best case scenario in the 'likely to happen' world, but its not the best case scenario at all.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't think its even close to the best case scenario. Its likely a best case scenario in the 'likely to happen' world, but its not the best case scenario at all.
    Right, that is what I meant. That is if I am reading you right. You do mean Francisco isn't likely to reach those heights, right?
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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Right, that is what I meant. That is if I am reading you right. You do mean Francisco isn't likely to reach those heights, right?
    Best case scenario is he turns into Andres Galarraga or Juan Gonzalez. Most likely scenario is he turns into Wily Mo Pena.

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    Why is it good to be a catcher?

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Regardless If you are good, it's a fast track to the majors.
    Slight correction
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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Best case scenario is he turns into Andres Galarraga or Juan Gonzalez. Most likely scenario is he turns into Wily Mo Pena.
    I really don't see the Wily Mo comp ever happening... Wily's major problem was that he could hit anything that moved even if it was a bad pitch... You could hang a curveball and still tie him up.
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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    I really don't see the Wily Mo comp ever happening... Wily's major problem was that he could hit anything that moved even if it was a bad pitch... You could hang a curveball and still tie him up.

    Agree. Both hitters may have plate discipline problems but they're not remotely comparable in their mechanics at the plate.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    I really don't see the Wily Mo comp ever happening... Wily's major problem was that he could hit anything that moved even if it was a bad pitch... You could hang a curveball and still tie him up.
    It's comparable because both players had ridiculous power (potential), both players had OBP issues and both players didn't play stellar defense.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    It's comparable because both players had ridiculous power (potential), both players had OBP issues and both players didn't play stellar defense.
    Wily Mo was among the worst defenders I've ever seen. Francisco appears to be a poor defender at third, but I have no idea what he's like in the outfield. Making that kind of defense comp. with Wily Mo is probably way premature.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    I really don't see the Wily Mo comp ever happening... Wily's major problem was that he could hit anything that moved even if it was a bad pitch... You could hang a curveball and still tie him up.
    Wily Mo Pena in the major leagues between the age of 23 and 24 posted this line:
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    PA  	AB  	H  	2B  	3B  	HR  	RBI  	BB  	SO  	BA  	OBP  	SLG  	OPS  
    639	587	162	32	2	30	93	40	206	.276	.326	.491	.816
    Is that really all that different of a line from what you expect from Francisco? Pena walked more and struck out more than Francisco has shown so far, but the overall production is better than what I would expect from Francisco if he spent a full season in the major leagues this year and started every day.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Francisco hits for power AND average. And although he didn't have much trouble with it at the end of last year, I think it would do him a lot of good to see a good amount of AAA pitching this year. He has shown the ability to adjust. But he hasn't had to do it over any length of time over the AA level.

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    Re: Juan Francisco

    I think most scouts would take Francisco's career over Pena's. You can call out a few numbers and make a case that they're more or less the same player, but that ignores what appears to be Francisco's superior hit tool and overall better athleticism.
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    Re: Juan Francisco

    Tools wise, Francisco is a little better almost across the board. But he is not good defensively at all. Francisco also has worse discipline until he shows otherwise.

    Each have their strengths and weaknesses, but their sum total is pretty similar at the same stage in their careers.


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