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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    from C. Trents blog:

    It's funny, I hear over and over how Dusty Baker lost that game for the Reds.

    Does anyone win games anymore?

    I'm not sure, but I seem to think Albert Pujols and Chris Carpenter had a hand in winning that game for the Cardinals.

    But I guess it's more fun to blame people. That's where we are in 2010 and with the internets.

    * I'm not sure if the Dusty bashers know this, but the Cardinals are good. They're kinda the favorite to win the NL Central. You know why? Because they're better than the Reds. You know what teams that are better than their oppoents usually do? Beat them.

    I think the move to keep Lincoln out there was dubious, but not sure that's why they lost.

    * But hey, if it makes you feel better, the sky is falling.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by CWRed View Post
    My big issue continues to be this: Batting about the worst hitter on the team 2nd. SS all the time. Idiot. Complete idiot, that Dusty. Janish or Cabrera should never bat higher than 7th or 8th. Ever. I like Stubbs, then Dickerson (gets protection from Votto.) But anyone else is better and I think it will contiue to play out that way cuz OC has never gotten on base at a high rate.


    It's one game and I'm more convinced than ever that DB is the worst manager in the game today.
    I decided to look at boxscores to see where Cabrerra batted for other teams he has played for. He has played for since 2006 the Angels, Whitesox, A's and Twins. I did not look at every box score, I just looked at about 10 random box scores during almost every month of each season since 2006. He batted 3rd for the Angels most of the 2006 season, and then 2nd during the 2007 season. Ok what bout 2008 he batted either 1st or 2nd for the whitesox and in 2009 he batted second for both the A's and the Twins. So how is it possible that Dusty is an idiot for batting a guy in the exact same place that Ozzie, Mike Soscia, and Ron Gardenhire batted him? Not to mention all of these teams were better than the Reds and they all reached the post season so on better teams he batted predominantly 2 a little leadoff and a full season of 3rd. Maybe just maybe we hate Dusty so much that even when he does things that other managers do, we have to pretend he is the only person who would do this.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    [QUOTE=Redsnake;2048047]
    Quote Originally Posted by kfm View Post
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    4. Totally disagree. The slotting of the pitchers is not about setting up matchups for a single series. It is about putting guys in place that makes the most sense for your team for an entire season. They are trying to separate the veteran innings eater guys and separate the young guys who are most similar to help with the bullpen. This makes perfect sense to me. I think Dusty has done so many questionable things that he is criticized for perfectly rational decisions.


    You totally disagree that Arroyo's ERA in the day time is worse than at night?!

    I understand that seperating inning eaters like Harang and Arroyo makes sense, but now you put a pitcher who stated (correct me if I'm wrong mentioned this Monday) he doesn't like pitching in day games and would have rather pitch at night. Now if he goes out and shuts them down Thursday afternoon I'm all for eating some crow. However he gets shelled, in the back of our mind we will think....maybe Arroyo was right about not wanting too pitch day games and Dusty made a mistake.
    Big picture dude. The rotation is arranged for the season, not for the first series. Arranging the entire rotation just because one guy has a higher ERA in day games for the third game of the season is micro-managing at it's finest.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    I thought Stubbs should've started Opening Day just because of the prestige and confidence factor, but looking at the numbers I didn't have a problem with Nix and Dickerson being out there.

    What I don't understand is why Ondrusek didn't pitch the 9th after turning in a flawless 8th on few pitches. If he gets the Cards 1-2-3 in the 9th, we tie the game in the bottom of the 9th off Franklin (in theory... I know in practice the whole chain of events would've been different, but let's indulge me here).

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by kfm View Post
    I decided to look at boxscores to see where Cabrerra batted for other teams he has played for. He has played for since 2006 the Angels, Whitesox, A's and Twins. I did not look at every box score, I just looked at about 10 random box scores during almost every month of each season since 2006. He batted 3rd for the Angels most of the 2006 season, and then 2nd during the 2007 season. Ok what bout 2008 he batted either 1st or 2nd for the whitesox and in 2009 he batted second for both the A's and the Twins. So how is it possible that Dusty is an idiot for batting a guy in the exact same place that Ozzie, Mike Soscia, and Ron Gardenhire batted him? Not to mention all of these teams were better than the Reds and they all reached the post season so on better teams he batted predominantly 2 a little leadoff and a full season of 3rd. Maybe just maybe we hate Dusty so much that even when he does things that other managers do, we have to pretend he is the only person who would do this.
    If Dusty were not our manager we would be 162-0 because every time we lose it is his fault, and every time we win it is because of the players.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    Stubbs not starting in CF?
    This one I have no problem with Dickerson had a great spring and should be rewarded. Now put Stubbs in

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    Dickerson/Gomes to platoon in LF...so play Nix??
    It is like he is trying to lose

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    Lincoln's the first option out of the pen.
    It is like he is trying to lose

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    [B]Arroyo's ERA in night games are better than day games.
    It is like he is trying to lose

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    Dusty did say that Dickerson was 5 for 10 against Carpenter in his career. Those are fairly solid numbers.
    Right, so let him start - in LF. Stubbs in CF.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    If Dusty were not our manager we would be 162-0 because every time we lose it is his fault, and every time we win it is because of the players.
    Why the childish post? It's the managers duty to give his team the best chance to win ballgames... dusty doesn't do that.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Burton View Post
    Why the childish post? It's the managers duty to give his team the best chance to win ballgames... dusty doesn't do that.
    How is this a childish post?

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    I'm here to eat some crow. Arroyo pitching today was the right choice.

    So now I only have 3 issues.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsnake View Post
    I'm here to eat some crow. Arroyo pitching today was the right choice.

    So now I only have 3 issues.
    Redsnake, I respect the heck out of you for posting that. You will be one of the only people to do something like that on this board that relates to Dusty. Now plenty of people do it about all types of other things but not Dusty.

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    Re: 4 issues with Dusty and only one game has been played!

    Thanks kfm.


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