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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'd rank Cabrera's bat among the bottom 3-5% of all major league hitters. I'll be stunned if he OPS over .725 this season. That's the very picture of fungible. The guy's actually a pretty big step down from Gonzalez, which is saying something.
    HAHAHAHA. Quite possibly the funniest quote of the year. You must seriously have a severe hatred for Cabrera. Bottom 3-5%??? Janish would probably not even be in the bottom 3-5%.

    Cabrera leaves something to be desired when it comes to OPS, but he is a good hitter. OPS'ing does not define a hitter, no matter what the statisticians will tell you. Even if it would, he wouldn't fall in the bottom 3-5% of OPS.

    Find me a bottom 3% hitter that will give you

    .285 average, 36 doubles, 77 RBI
    .281 average, 33 doubles, 57 RBI
    .301 average, 35 doubles, 86 RBI
    .282 average, 45 doubles, 72 RBI

    Those are Cabrera's last 4 years.

    Have you looked at the stats for Christian Guzman, Yunieski Betancourt, Edgar Renteria, J.J. Hardy, Cezar Izturis, Joe Crede, Geoff Blum, Ian Stewart, Josh Fields just to name a few that have over 400 PA's last year.

    I'd say Cabrera is in the easily in the top 50% of the league in terms of hitting.

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by kheidg- View Post
    HAHAHAHA. Quite possibly the funniest quote of the year. You must seriously have a severe hatred for Cabrera. Bottom 3-5%??? Janish would probably not even be in the bottom 3-5%.

    Cabrera leaves something to be desired when it comes to OPS, but he is a good hitter. OPS'ing does not define a hitter, no matter what the statisticians will tell you. Even if it would, he wouldn't fall in the bottom 3-5% of OPS.

    Find me a bottom 3% hitter that will give you

    .285 average, 36 doubles, 77 RBI
    .281 average, 33 doubles, 57 RBI
    .301 average, 35 doubles, 86 RBI
    .282 average, 45 doubles, 72 RBI

    Those are Cabrera's last 4 years.

    Have you looked at the stats for Christian Guzman, Yunieski Betancourt, Edgar Renteria, J.J. Hardy, Cezar Izturis, Joe Crede, Geoff Blum, Ian Stewart, Josh Fields just to name a few that have over 400 PA's last year.

    I'd say Cabrera is in the easily in the top 50% of the league in terms of hitting.

    What that tells me about Cabrera is that he stays crazy healthy and racks up 700 PA. Health is a good thing, mind you, but it doesn't mean you're a good hitter if you're collecting middling RBI totals on AL offenses.

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    My take on Cabrera? When you shortstop needs a defensive replacement for the late innings and he's a below average hitter, you've got a great commercial for Pepto Bismol (ya know when ya get nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, even diarrhea)...
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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    I meant Heyward. I'm always getting that kid's name wrong. Called him Howard last week.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I meant Heyward. I'm always getting that kid's name wrong. Called him Howard last week.
    I knew who you meant. : I think Heyward is going to be an elite talent; HOF type talent is his ceiling in my opinion.

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    I'd be very surprised if Cabrera OPS's .700 this season. I'd rather Janish start over Cabrera until the Reds can find a better replacement.

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The guy's actually a pretty big step down from Gonzalez, which is saying something.
    Um, no.

    Career OPS:

    Cabrera: .719
    Gonzalez: .689

    OBP:

    Cabrera: .321
    Gonzalez: .294

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'd be very surprised if Cabrera OPS's .700 this season. I'd rather Janish start over Cabrera until the Reds can find a better replacement.
    i think Janish should get some starts. let him start when Leake pitches for sure. try starting each of these guys in ~50% of the games. i suspect Janish will do overall better. if so then make him the full time starter & make Cabrera the utility infielder.
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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    Um, no.

    Career OPS:

    Cabrera: .719
    Gonzalez: .689

    OBP:

    Cabrera: .321
    Gonzalez: .294
    Facts, accuracy ... get out of here with that garbage!

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    Um, no.

    Career OPS:

    Cabrera: .719
    Gonzalez: .689

    OBP:

    Cabrera: .321
    Gonzalez: .294
    When Cabrera OPSes .800 like Gonzalez did for the Reds, let me know.

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    When Cabrera OPSes .800 like Gonzalez did for the Reds, let me know.
    Wow, what an argument there FCB.
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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Wow, what an argument there FCB.
    What else is there to say? How much more irrelevant an argument can you get in comparing career stats when it comes to this discussion?

    Does anyone think for even an instant that Cabrera's going to sniff .750 OPS, much less an .800?

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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Almost getting to be Coombsish in comparison.

    Coombs can out drink Janish
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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    What else is there to say? How much more irrelevant an argument can you get in comparing career stats when it comes to this discussion?

    Does anyone think for even an instant that Cabrera's going to sniff .750 OPS, much less an .800?
    Well let's see Gonzo:
    2007 - .793 OPS
    2008 - .000 OPS
    2009 - .594 OPS

    Cabrera:
    2007 - .742 OPS
    2008 - .705 OPS
    2009 - .705 OPS

    The last 3 years is usually the best indicator of success.

    Janish isn't worth listing.
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    Re: OCab vs Janish

    i don't know who is more productive or not and i know it's only 1 game, but has Janish ever hit a home run and a double in the same game like ocab did tonight?

    i still would prefer him hitting lower in the lineup, but he had a good game at the plate tonight.


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