OCab vs Janish

[kheidg-]

I'd rank Cabrera's bat among the bottom 3-5% of all major league hitters. I'll be stunned if he OPS over .725 this season. That's the very picture of fungible. The guy's actually a pretty big step down from Gonzalez, which is saying something.

HAHAHAHA. Quite possibly the funniest quote of the year. You must seriously have a severe hatred for Cabrera. Bottom 3-5%??? Janish would probably not even be in the bottom 3-5%.

Cabrera leaves something to be desired when it comes to OPS, but he is a good hitter. OPS'ing does not define a hitter, no matter what the statisticians will tell you. Even if it would, he wouldn't fall in the bottom 3-5% of OPS.

Find me a bottom 3% hitter that will give you

.285 average, 36 doubles, 77 RBI
.281 average, 33 doubles, 57 RBI
.301 average, 35 doubles, 86 RBI
.282 average, 45 doubles, 72 RBI

Those are Cabrera's last 4 years.

Have you looked at the stats for Christian Guzman, Yunieski Betancourt, Edgar Renteria, J.J. Hardy, Cezar Izturis, Joe Crede, Geoff Blum, Ian Stewart, Josh Fields just to name a few that have over 400 PA's last year.

I'd say Cabrera is in the easily in the top 50% of the league in terms of hitting.

[Falls City Beer]

HAHAHAHA. Quite possibly the funniest quote of the year. You must seriously have a severe hatred for Cabrera. Bottom 3-5%??? Janish would probably not even be in the bottom 3-5%.

Cabrera leaves something to be desired when it comes to OPS, but he is a good hitter. OPS'ing does not define a hitter, no matter what the statisticians will tell you. Even if it would, he wouldn't fall in the bottom 3-5% of OPS.

Find me a bottom 3% hitter that will give you

.285 average, 36 doubles, 77 RBI
.281 average, 33 doubles, 57 RBI
.301 average, 35 doubles, 86 RBI
.282 average, 45 doubles, 72 RBI

Those are Cabrera's last 4 years.

Have you looked at the stats for Christian Guzman, Yunieski Betancourt, Edgar Renteria, J.J. Hardy, Cezar Izturis, Joe Crede, Geoff Blum, Ian Stewart, Josh Fields just to name a few that have over 400 PA's last year.

I'd say Cabrera is in the easily in the top 50% of the league in terms of hitting.

What that tells me about Cabrera is that he stays crazy healthy and racks up 700 PA. Health is a good thing, mind you, but it doesn't mean you're a good hitter if you're collecting middling RBI totals on AL offenses.

[jojo]

My take on Cabrera? When you shortstop needs a defensive replacement for the late innings and he's a below average hitter, you've got a great commercial for Pepto Bismol (ya know when ya get nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, even diarrhea)...

[TRF]

I meant Heyward. I'm always getting that kid's name wrong. Called him Howard last week.

[Bumstead]

I meant Heyward. I'm always getting that kid's name wrong. Called him Howard last week.

I knew who you meant. : I think Heyward is going to be an elite talent; HOF type talent is his ceiling in my opinion.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd be very surprised if Cabrera OPS's .700 this season. I'd rather Janish start over Cabrera until the Reds can find a better replacement.

[Homer Bailey]

The guy's actually a pretty big step down from Gonzalez, which is saying something.

Um, no.

Career OPS:

Cabrera: .719
Gonzalez: .689

OBP:

Cabrera: .321
Gonzalez: .294

[Will M]

I'd be very surprised if Cabrera OPS's .700 this season. I'd rather Janish start over Cabrera until the Reds can find a better replacement.

i think Janish should get some starts. let him start when Leake pitches for sure. try starting each of these guys in ~50% of the games. i suspect Janish will do overall better. if so then make him the full time starter & make Cabrera the utility infielder.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Um, no.

Career OPS:

Cabrera: .719
Gonzalez: .689

OBP:

Cabrera: .321
Gonzalez: .294

Facts, accuracy ... get out of here with that garbage!

[Falls City Beer]

Um, no.

Career OPS:

Cabrera: .719
Gonzalez: .689

OBP:

Cabrera: .321
Gonzalez: .294

When Cabrera OPSes .800 like Gonzalez did for the Reds, let me know.

[Mario-Rijo]

When Cabrera OPSes .800 like Gonzalez did for the Reds, let me know.

Wow, what an argument there FCB.

[Falls City Beer]

Wow, what an argument there FCB.

What else is there to say? How much more irrelevant an argument can you get in comparing career stats when it comes to this discussion?

Does anyone think for even an instant that Cabrera's going to sniff .750 OPS, much less an .800?

[Raisor]

Almost getting to be Coombsish in comparison.

Coombs can out drink Janish

[Mario-Rijo]

What else is there to say? How much more irrelevant an argument can you get in comparing career stats when it comes to this discussion?

Does anyone think for even an instant that Cabrera's going to sniff .750 OPS, much less an .800?

Well let's see Gonzo:
2007 - .793 OPS
2008 - .000 OPS
2009 - .594 OPS

Cabrera:
2007 - .742 OPS
2008 - .705 OPS
2009 - .705 OPS

The last 3 years is usually the best indicator of success.

Janish isn't worth listing.

[fearofpopvol1]

i don't know who is more productive or not and i know it's only 1 game, but has Janish ever hit a home run and a double in the same game like ocab did tonight?

i still would prefer him hitting lower in the lineup, but he had a good game at the plate tonight.