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    Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Per Reds twitter.

    Thoughts? Hard to believe you'd DFA a 26 year old lefty who can miss bats. Odds that Viola gets picked up on waivers?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    I'd say there's a 90% chance Viola gets picked up by another team. A LHP that can throw 94/95 with a nice slider? I can't see him making it through waivers, control problems or not.

    Me? I would've DFA'd Miguel Cairo, sent Francisco to the minors and recalled Drew Sutton.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Per Reds twitter.

    Thoughts? Hard to believe you'd DFA a 26 year old lefty who can miss bats. Odds that Viola gets picked up on waivers?
    Wow, I didn't see that coming.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Viola walks the ballpark and will be 27 soon. He's fodder. I was hoping he could be useful as a throw-in to some team wanting to roll the dice on his fastball. Valiquette is the same guy but 5 years younger, Maloney and Wood (and maybe Horst, Smit, and Fairel) are lefty starters who probably have a future as a pen guy and Thurman and Joseph will be the lefties in a couple years anyway. If it wasn't Lincoln, Cairo or Nix, Viola was the most logical to go.

    Can't complain about this at all.
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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Viola walks the ballpark and will be 27 soon. He's fodder. I was hoping he could be useful as a throw-in to some team wanting to roll the dice on his fastball. Valiquette is the same guy but 5 years younger, Maloney and Wood (and maybe Horst, Smit, and Fairel) are lefty starters who probably have a future as a pen guy and Thurman and Joseph will be the lefties in a couple years anyway. If it wasn't Lincoln, Cairo or Nix, Viola was the most logical to go.

    Can't complain about this at all.
    My thoughts exactly. I hope Viola can sneak through waivers but if he does not the organization will be just fine without him.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'd say there's a 90% chance Viola gets picked up by another team. A LHP that can throw 94/95 with a nice slider? I can't see him making it through waivers, control problems or not.

    Me? I would've DFA'd Miguel Cairo, sent Francisco to the minors and recalled Drew Sutton.
    That would've made more sense to me as well.
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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    The fact that he was lefty surprises me. There is always value in a lefty arm. Are the Reds allowed to deal him now? I'm not sure of the rules this time of year.

    But the fact that he got worse as he moved up the chain, and gave up more and more hits to go along with his boatload of walks, did lower his value. It's also a sign that there's more to being a successful pitcher than striking people out.

    I'm not a minor league expert, but I would have DFA's Lecure before Viola.
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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    And people have to get used to the fact that the Reds want Cairo on the team all season. They want a veteran utility guy.
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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    There was no way they were going to cut Cairo after a week. Why would you keep Cairo over Sutton out of camp, and then decide a week later to cut Cairo in favor of him? Wasn't happening.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    And people have to get used to the fact that the Reds want Cairo on the team all season. They want a veteran utility guy.
    Some might argue, not me, not me.

    But some might argue that the Reds already have several of them fill in types in Rolen, Cabrera, Gomes, Cairo, Janish, Phillips, Gomes, Nix and Dickerson.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    not a big deal. 1.5+ WHIPs in the minors in your mid 20s isn't much to get excited about.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    It's nice to see decisive action being taken after 1 week instead of a month or so. That's the advantage of having a veteran GM.
    /r/reds

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    interesting that the Redszone Top 40 had Viola at 27 and Ondrusek at 28.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    Viola is a Jekyll and Hyde. He can be very effective and he can also have such poor control that all he can do is groove fastballs or walk batters. The comparison to Valiquette is valid. Moving Cisco to AAA is the right move.

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    Re: Leake promoted, Fransisco Optioned, Viola DFA

    We're not going to miss Viola. Not with Bray and Jukich soon to come off the DL and the promising pack of southpaw hurlers (Cochran, Harang, Krebs, Valiquette and Smit) now assembled at Carolina. Someone amongst that group ought to soon be knocking on the door, ready to advance to Louisville.

    I always liked Viola for his high heat, but questioned whether he could advance because of his control problems. When I saw him pitch in Arizona this spring, he was just as wild as ever. Lefty or not, it seemed about time to pull the plug on that experiment and move on.


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