Other than him having a no trade clause and wanting to be closer to home.
Other than him having a no trade clause and wanting to be closer to home.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
There is no difference.
Toronto: "Well Scott. We really couldn't find a scenario that worked. How would you like to play the final year of your contract with a contender? You might get a ring. But even if no ring, there's a great chance you'll be in a pennant race and be able to increase your value when hitting the market if you play the way we think you can".
Scott: "OK!"
Seriously this notion that it was Cincy all the way and no other way is lets just say as ways go, way overplayed.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
But when he went to the Jays and said he didn't want to play there any more he didn't say he wanted to go to a contender. He said he wanted to be close to home. That's not Boston, NY. Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle, LA or even Milwaukee, Chicago or Detroit. Its Cincy and St. Louis.
Seems its a much bigger leap to claim that he'd go somewhere else than it is to claim he'd only go to Cincy. My notion is based on something he actually said. What was your scenario based on again?
Seems the guy took a pay cut and then signed an extension at the lower wage to stay close to home. What about that says increase my value on the open market? He wasn't really concerned about upping the offer from someplace he didn't really want to go anyway.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
While everyone is talking about the what ifs in that trade, what if we had kept Stewart and Roenicke somehow and not made that trade. Maybe they go into the draft and don't take Mike Leake or Brad Boxberger in the first rounds. Maybe they don't sign Aroldis Chapman during the offseason. Maybe we're still stuck watching EE airmail throws to first base. We don't really know anything for sure about how things went down last year. I was a little unsure of the trade at the time but now I'm glad we made it and I'll gladly take Aroldis, Mike, Brad, and Scott being part of the Reds organization. I don't miss watching EE attempt to play third base.
Are there any updates on how Zach is doing now? I only ask because that's the title of this thread and I don't know when the next start is for him.
"I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search
An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Hasn't pitched since April 15. Probably health-related, but that's a guess.Are there any updates on how Zach is doing now? I only ask because that's the title of this thread and I don't know when the next start is for him.
The Reds are only paying Chapman something like $1.5M this season. I don't think it would have stopped them from making the deal. Could be wrong, but I am not sure even the Reds are that cheap. At least not in this kind of deal. It may have stopped them from signing Cairo though.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
My point is that all of these assumptions are pure conjecture.
Who knows...
1. Whether the Reds could have gotten Rolen without giving up Stewart.
2. If the Jays were considering trading Rolen to other teams.
3. If Rolen would have accepted a deal to other teams.
4. If the Reds could have signed Rolen as a FA
5. If they could have done so at the same price, while still having EE still on the payroll.
6. If they would have been able to sign Chapman if none of this had happened.
It's all conjecture, and NO ONE here knows the answers. It wasn't like the KGJ scenario where he publicly demanded to be traded only to the Reds. So instead of playing coulda shoulda woulda, I'm just happy that we have Scott Rolen on this club. If Stewart was the price, so be it. We'll never know if we could have gotten him (and Chapman) for less.
Go BLUE!!!
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