Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 10 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 142

Thread: So stupid ... it's funny

  1. #1
    Playoffs Cyclone792's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    6,271

    So stupid ... it's funny

    Every once and a while over the past several years I've engaged in a semi-regular pattern throughout each season. I'll glance at some Reds' numbers, and almost every single time, I'll notice something (lots of things since the beginning of 2008) where I just shake my head and laugh to myself.

    Nevertheless, here's some fun stuff I've already noticed about teh 2010 Dusty Bakers:

    teh 2010 Dusty Bakers as CF: .149/.241/.216/.457
    teh 2010 Dusty Bakers as P: .229/.250/.229/.479

    Oh, it gets better.

    teh 2010 Dusty Bakers as #1 hitter: .143/.233/.208/.440
    teh 2010 Dusty Bakers as #9 hitter: .230/.266/.279/.544

    Of course, I'm not advocating leading off with the pitcher - though we may get some OBP bump! - but it's just fitting that a Dusty Baker led team would have a higher on-base percentage from his pitchers and #9-hole hitters than his center fielders and leadoff hitters. And it's not just fitting, it's to the point of just being hilarious.

    Remember a thread I started two years ago about Dustifying the Leadoff Slot? In that thread, I warned that through Dusty Baker's 15 seasons as manager of the Giants and Cubs, his teams leadoff hitter had an on-base percentage higher than the league average only three times. Dusty's cumulative leadoff OBPs were .334 vs. a league average of .341.

    Some folks tried dustifying and rationalizing that .334 isn't too much worse than .341. Maybe they just wanted to make themselves feel better, I don't know.

    Yet we're now two years and one month into teh Dusty Baker regime, and well ...

    2008 Reds: .326 OBP from the leadoff guy
    2008 NL: .342 OBP from the leadoff guy

    And the two-hole hitters?

    2008 Reds: .305 OBP from the two-hole hitter
    2008 NL: .338 OBP from the two-hole hitter

    Thank you, Dusty Baker and Corey Patterson. May we have another?

    Move on to 2009, which was teh year of Willy T. We know how bad we looked, right?

    2009 Reds: .302 OBP from the leadoff guy
    2009 NL: .340 OBP from the leadoff guy

    2009 Reds: .302 OBP from the two-hole hitter
    2009 NL: .338 OBP from the two-hole hitter

    Are we seeing a trend yet? Perhaps the first few weeks of 2010 can help us identify what we're seeing ...

    2010 Reds: .235 OBP from the leadoff guy
    2010 NL: .324 OBP from the leadoff guy

    2010 Reds: .300 OBP from the two-hole hitter
    2010 NL: .340 OBP from the two-hole hitter

    What should we call something that starts off crappy and then manages to get even worse over two plus years? Whatever it is, that's the Reds' at the top of the lineup during teh Dusty Baker regime.

    I thought about doing this same exercise for the cleanup hitter using OPS, but I wanted to stop the torture so I haven't bothered to look yet. I can only imagine what those numbers look like though. Any guesses?

    The only idea I can ponder is maybe this is all a trick to suppress the salary potential of Joey Votto. With Ryan Howard inking his ridiculous contract, perhaps the Reds' front office figured if they ensured that nobody was ever on base in front of Votto and that the guy behind Votto was a wild hack who cannot hit right-handers, that Votto wouldn't ever be able to post those impressive runs scored and RBI totals that agents love to quote during contract discussions.

    Those sneaky Dusty Baker Redlegs!

    In the end, the most important number is .456 since 2001. That's winning percentage, and it reminds us that the Lost Decade laughs in all our faces (By the way, what does the Lost Decade's laugh sound like? I envision it being something similar to Heath Ledger's Joker laugh, but perhaps there's something even more sinister and hilarious out there that'd be more appropriate.).

    When you get right down to it, the Lost Decade's lineup of owners, general managers and managers is almost like a Dusty Baker lineup.

    Lindner
    Castellini
    Bowden
    O'Brien
    Krivsky
    Jocketty
    Boone
    Miley
    Narron
    Baker

    Wait, that's 10 guys. I guess we'll play by AL rules and somebody's gotta DH.

    Will the madness ever end? I guess if it doesn't, all we can do is just laugh at the stupidity.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,998

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Ya know, whenever I read teh Dusty I stop reading... same for Duhsty.

    IMO it weakens ones argument to lean into the belittle so early in the piece.

  4. #3
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,298

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Who would you put in CF to up the OBP from that spot in 2010?

  5. #4
    Playoffs Cyclone792's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    6,271

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Ya know, whenever I read teh Dusty I stop reading... same for Duhsty.

    IMO it weakens ones argument to lean into the belittle so early in the piece.
    The Reds nowadays deserve nothing more than being pushed into the belittle. Last week's gate for the homestand echoes those thoughts: 15,200 average per game. Once again, apathy has taken over before May begins. People here just now just move on from the Reds, and the organization really has nobody else to blame but themselves.

    I love baseball, but I'm now 28-years-old, and outside a few specific players, this organization has been largely unwatchable since I graduated high school.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

  6. #5
    The Future is Now Ghosts of 1990's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    4,053

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    "Good" stuff! haha. This is completely hideous. Can't wait to tell my friends who watch the Reds every night about this one
    2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9
    2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
    2013 Attendance Record: 5-2 2014 Attendance Record: 3-1

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,174

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    I love baseball, but I'm now 28-years-old, and outside a few specific players, this organization has been largely unwatchable since I graduated high school.
    Oh the victimhood.

    Seems to me you're getting plenty of enjoyment out of some poor performance.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  8. #7
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,960

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Good stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  9. #8
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,960

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Oh the victimhood.

    Seems to me you're getting plenty of enjoyment out of some poor performance.
    Oh yeah, I'm sure Cyclone would prefer the Reds suck wind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  10. #9
    Playoffs Cyclone792's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    6,271

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Oh the victimhood.

    Seems to me you're getting plenty of enjoyment out of some poor performance.
    Some of you folks from out of town just don't get it. You watch from afar, but you haven't the slightest idea the current environment here.

    This Reds organization is a running joke here in Cincinnati. Their on-field performance isn't just having an impact on the stats and standings, it's a PR disaster. It stretches from the owner's seat to the front office to the manager's seat to the players on the field.

    Try explaining to Joe Fan here why he should shell out his money to watch this team, and after he's done laughing at the organization, he'll laugh in your face.

    Meanwhile, keep sitting several hundred miles away in a different part of the country and believe that things are looking solid here. You can believe what you want, but you'll be believing in a fantasy if you're not looking at reality.
    Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012

    Put an end to the Lost Decade.

  11. #10
    GR8NESS WMR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Posts
    16,960

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Some of you folks from out of town just don't get it. You watch from afar, but you haven't the slightest idea the current environment here.

    This Reds organization is a running joke here in Cincinnati. Their on-field performance isn't just having an impact on the stats and standings, it's a PR disaster. It stretches from the owner's seat to the front office to the manager's seat to the players on the field.

    Try explaining to Joe Fan here why he should shell out his money to watch this team, and after he's done laughing at the organization, he'll laugh in your face.

    Meanwhile, keep sitting several hundred miles away in a different part of the country and believe that things are looking solid here. You can believe what you want, but you'll be believing in a fantasy if you're not looking at reality.
    The closer you get to Cincinnati, the bigger laughingstock the Reds become.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


  12. #11
    Red's fan mbgrayson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    2,059

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    The funny thing is that Stubbs was even quoted the other day as saying he liked batting 7th. Yet, the CF leads off, and the SS bats second.....

    I honestly think that when we get the inevitable manager change, if we hire someone who simply moves the lineup around to put high OBP guys (do we have any?) in the #1 and #2 slot, we could score more runs on a regular basis.

    Also, we have to get the whole team OBP to a higher plane. There is a direct correlation between OBP and runs scored. Until the Reds organization starts to value that, we will continue to lag in run production.

    So far in 2010, the Reds are 25th in MLB in team OBP at .312. We are tied for 16th in runs scored with 87 runs. We are 15th in team HRs with 20.

    Of course much of the problem in 2010 has been with pitching....and that is a different thread....
    __________________
    ďThis one was a perfect one. I donít know if I can find a better one, better timing. He [Price] really said some great things there. It really encouraged us to go back and do what we do. Ö I didnít know he could speak like that.Ē Brayan Pena 5/21/14

  13. #12
    Member Sea Ray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    15,610

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    I think you're putting too much blame here on Dusty Baker. It's not like he's had better options. As you go up and down the lineup you'll find that his players are underperforming the league avg. Managers are only as good as his players.

  14. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Indianapolis, IN
    Posts
    7,198

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    I agree, let's Cyclone the lineup. See how the production stacks up 1-9.
    When people say that I donít know what Iím talking about when it comes to sports or writing, I think: Man, you should see me in the rest of my life.
    ---Joe Posnanski

  15. #14
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,602

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    How much is a trip to the Zoo? a family of four will cost about $70 before food. Get a souvenir or two and you are easily at $120-150. Now how many times can you go to the zoo? It's an all day thing and while I go every time I am in Cincinnati, I can't imagine going three days in a row.

    Kings Island? Last time I went took me two days to recover. $300 for four of us. That's parking, food, admission, and a bunch of stuff.

    I can get 4 bleacher seats for $28. total. I can park for $2 under Fountain Square. I can spend another $20 on snacks with the idea that we'll eat out after the game.

    And I'll see baseball. Even my girly-girl daughter wore a pink Reds Jersey. We saw fireworks and the team actually won.

    And I saw baseball. Hard core fans will show up regardless. Some fair weather fans too. That's how you get 15,000 fans instead of 1,500. And yes, winning could turn them into the 90's version of the Indians, but the Reds didn't draw all that well in '99, one of their best regular seasons ever. That had nothing to do with the FO, the manager, the players, or the season and everything to do with Cincinnati and its residents. Cincinnati is a big city with a Mayberry mentality. It would rather stay home, sit on the porch and enjoy the evening.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  16. #15
    Stat Wanker Hodiernus RedsManRick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Guelph, ON
    Posts
    16,086

    Re: So stupid ... it's funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Some of you folks from out of town just don't get it. You watch from afar, but you haven't the slightest idea the current environment here.

    This Reds organization is a running joke here in Cincinnati. Their on-field performance isn't just having an impact on the stats and standings, it's a PR disaster. It stretches from the owner's seat to the front office to the manager's seat to the players on the field.
    Rightly or wrongly, I've let the Reds' backwards attitudes become my representation of the city at large; Seriously behind the times and too proud to admit it.

    I think Baseball has increasingly gone from the everyman's game played in sandlots and alleys to a big business, run on the principals of business. But the city remains provincial and its ball club reflects that.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 04-27-2010 at 10:44 AM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


Turn Off Ads?

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25