Dusty likes his CF's to play deep. He even joked about how Edmonds would test him.Originally Posted by reds44
Dusty likes his CF's to play deep. He even joked about how Edmonds would test him.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
The Cubs announcers also spent an entire inning breaking down why Alfonso Soriano got a day off.
They get no credit from me. I think Stubbs is great out in CF.
The Cubs' TV announcers are horrible. Not only did they make up a bunch of stuff about Votto in an effort to get Chicago to hate him, they were talking about how the radar gun in Louisville is undoubtedly juiced despite the fact that every gun in the stadium backed it up.
I still prefer to call him Uncle.
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They said he gets them because he plays a more shallow centerfield.
That Cain dude for Milwaukee showed me something last night. I had never seen him before, but range is certainly not an issue for that dude. Heck, that was my thought even before he went into the wall to take that hit away from Janish.
I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Stubbs is OK out there. But he's nowhere near elite. He shies away from diving and from the wall, and he's occasionally shaky fielding balls on the ground. Most recently, I thought he let a couple bloops fall in front of him in the Cubs series that some others may have caught. Generally speaking, his style is graceful -- and conservative.
Nice speed, solid arm, and he'll look good chasing down some balls in the gap. But I think he lacks the pure instincts and fearlessness that the great ones have.
I think he's got all of the tools but I'm not surprised that UZR and Dewans don't rate him as a leader yet.
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Depends on what you consider to be tools.I think he's got all of the tools but I'm not surprised that UZR and Dewans don't rate him as a leader yet.
Speed, arm, he generally takes good routes... I think it's a safe bet he'll grade out as a significantly plus centerfielder. He may never have a season like Gutierrez had last year but if he is something like a +10ish center fielder, he'd be among the best fielders in the game.
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The "wall" problem Stubbs has is overblown in the extreme around here, IMO.
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I would much rather have a CF with a "wall" problem like Stubbs than see a player do what Cain did last night. Great catch but man o man that guy is playing with fire. I would much rather see my CF allow a double than see him crash into the wall and end up on the DL.
Out of curiosity, what is it you see that would lead you to conclude he should be around average in these ratings as opposed to above average?
I watch a lot of baseball, and with all due respect to the methodology and results of these metrics, I see a guy that has few peers when it comes to the ease of tracking down and catching the baseball out in center. Gutierrez is a freak of nature, so I won't even worry about whether Stubbs' UZR compares to him. But being down 10-12 runs with what you even conclude he could be is a pretty big chunk. So what is it that one, with the eye test, could justify causing the absence of those 10 runs?
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I agree with this, and I love Stubbs' defense. But he does not play the OF aggressively enough. That may come with time. But he's certainly got the tools. And other than that one fault, he IS elite in all other areas IMO. But that IS one big area that's holding him back.
And to be clear, it isn't the "wall problem" I'm referring to. But rather diving in general....in any directions. He seems to shy away from contact...wall, ground or teammate. It's not a bad thing, just something I think he'll get better at...knowing WHEN to "go for it".
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I may have asked this before but what does the impact of having excellent fielders on either side of you have on your UZR or other fielding metrics.
Does the fact that any ball hit in the RCF gap is caught by either Stubbs or Bruce diminish each of their respective zone ratings? In other words is there any way to account for balls Stubbs could have reached but were more easily fielded by Bruce or vice versa?
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