Last edited by RedsManRick; 05-02-2010 at 08:14 PM.
Personally, I think Stubbs is a terrible leadoff hitter. I've said before, he reminds me more of Eric Davis than Vince Coleman (although he probably will end up more like Caesar Geronimo with a bit more power and a lot more speed). If he ever gets moved to the middle of the lineup, or even the #2 slot, I think he'll be fine.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
It somewhat changes the complexion and perception if those type of production is not leading off.
He could be, he might have been already, hitting down in the order. But he isn't batting down in the order.I think he'll be fine
Last edited by Spring~Fields; 05-02-2010 at 06:49 PM.
Phillips leads off. Rolen, then votto then Bruce then cabrera. From there toy as you'd like. Phillips needs to lead off
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I would caution us to not lump Taveras with Patterson and Stubbs. Taveras is Juan Pierre with only good contact rates instead of elite ones. Patterson and Stubbs are more similar, in that they both have power potential, but are hampered in their ability to use it due low contact rates resulting from a long swing. The difference between the two is that Stubbs has better discipline than Patterson, which gives him a better shot of sticking.
However, unless and until Stubbs starts making more contact on balls in the zone, he's got no shot. His contact rate is 4th lowest in baseball. While you can get away with low contact rates if you have great plate discipline and prodigious power, his discipline is merely good and he's not found a way to consistently hit for power. The 3 guys below him: Reynolds, Blanks and Upton (Justin). The 3 above him Kemp, Dunn and Hamilton.
Bottom line, I don't think the Reds have a better CF option right now than Stubbs (unless you count Bruce, which the Reds don't), so he should be playing every day. But it's not a good idea to continue batting him leadoff everyday. Speed is more valuable lower in the lineup (where bases are harder to advance and less costly to lose) and we should be giving more PA to our best hitters. I'd be playing Hanigan 4 days a week and leading him off when he plays. When Hernandez plays, push Phillips to leadoff, Rolen to 2nd.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 05-02-2010 at 08:33 PM.
Everyone thought Justin Upton broke out last year, but he is scuffling so far this year too. Joey Votto isn't raking like the entire planet predicted either, by the way. It is extremely early to give up on a player with Drew's explosive skill set, not to mention one whose success is so important to the success of this team this year. It is painfully obvious that he has a tough time with anything crooked, so I agree that it is perfectly reasonable to drop him lower in the order at least until he puts it together, where he might see more fastballs. But, I am pretty happy with what Dusty has done on this last road trip by shaking up the lineup. Not only does putting Phillips in the 2 hole in front of a guy who either steals second or doesn't get on base at all neutralize Brandon's propensity to hit into double plays, it provides a power threat at the top of the order to try and force pitchers to give Stubbs more fastballs. Although I would like to see Stubbs dropped in the order and take some of the pressure off his shoulders until he proves himself, at least it shows that Dusty is thinking about how lineup construction may be effecting production. THAT is major progress for those of you in the cf hits first "dude", shortstop hits second camp.
Drew Stubbs is critical to the success of this team. He provides exceptional defense for a team that is starving for it, and speed and power. Aside from Votto and Bruce, he is clearly the most important position player on this team. Dusty needs to do whatever it takes to leverage Drew Stubbs to succeed, and be as patient as it takes to get that done. We need to be smart in how he is treated. Otherwise, the good pitching we are bound to get as the season progresses will be wasted.
Some flexibility is fine, but giving up on Drew Stubbs now would be in direct alignment with giving up on the season.
Oh great another Stubbs thread...
The talent stream into this organization has improved immensely the past few years, but outside of Bruce, there are no clear cut options in the future in regards to the outfield. The best bet in center and left may be for the Reds to go outside of the organization to fill those holes, because I don't think Dickerson or Stubbs is the answer, and leftfield isn't much different (and when I say go outside of the organization, I'm not talking about taking a flier on the Jonny Gomes' of the world, I'm talking about legitimate talent).
I'm not saying that Stubbs is a complete bust, not yet anyways. But I am saying he wasn't that good of a player in the minors, so why on earth would it be any different in the majors?