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    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Which is why I said he has to learn WHEN to "go for it".
    Maybe he has 'learned' and we just can't quantify it from our couches at home?

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Another thing worth noting is that we don't see Stubbs constantly running into the other outfielders, putting them at risk for injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Maybe he has 'learned' and we just can't quantify it from our couches at home?
    Unpossible.

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Just like almost any ball that Gomes doesn't catch is considered testimony to his inadequacy as a fielder, Stubbs can do no wrong out there.

    Lot of adhering to received wisdom here, IMO.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Garry Templeton always argued that he got to and fielded the same balls Ozzie did, but he fielded them while standing up...

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Just like almost any ball that Gomes doesn't catch is considered testimony to his inadequacy as a fielder, Stubbs can do no wrong out there.

    Lot of adhering to received wisdom here, IMO.
    So...Stubbs might not be a much better fielder than Gomes???

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Just like almost any ball that Gomes doesn't catch is considered testimony to his inadequacy as a fielder, Stubbs can do no wrong out there.

    Lot of adhering to received wisdom here, IMO.
    I for one at least think Stubbs is probably earning his UZR this season. So is Gomes for that matter....
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Maybe he has 'learned' and we just can't quantify it from our couches at home?
    It can't be that. I never watch from a couch. Desk chair or recliner.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    I for one at least think Stubbs is probably earning his UZR this season. So is Gomes for that matter....
    UZR is what it is -- I don't think it does a good job of telling us who the best are, but I'm not getting into that again.

    I know Stuubs is a decent defender -- I just don't think he's all that, like many do. I know Gomes is shaky, I just don't think that almost any ball that falls in LF while he's out there was catchable, as some seem to.

    Matter of degree (and when it comes to degrees, I certainly don't trust UZR to provide precision shading).
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
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    Agree 100%. Unfortunately, it won't be easy for him to lose that shying away instinct. Outfielders tend to get more conservative with time.

    Not hating on Stubbs here -- I'm happy with him as the now and future CF. I just think his style garners him praise for great defense, and those two things are not the same.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    UZR is what it is -- I don't think it does a good job of telling us who the best are, but I'm not getting into that again.

    I know Stuubs is a decent defender -- I just don't think he's all that, like many do. I know Gomes is shaky, I just don't think that almost any ball that falls in LF while he's out there was catchable, as some seem to.

    Matter of degree (and when it comes to degrees, I certainly don't trust UZR to provide precision shading).
    Take away Stubbs mental mistakes early in the year, and he's one of the best defensive CF in the game, easily top ten, maybe top five. I think UZR has it just about right, because when you do account for those mistakes, he's about average.

    As for Gomes, I don't think there ever will exist a defensive rating system that could measure how horrible he truely is in LF. He's slow, gets terrible jumps on balls, has terrible fundamentals, and terrible decision making. His only redeeming factor on defense is that he has a lot of heart and tries really hard. I believe that last part makes it seem like he's not as bad as he really is.

    UZR might not be great at precision shading, but its take on Stubbs and Gomes this year are not examples of it.
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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
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    A little tipsy again Cam?

    Wrong thread brother, but I know you'll catch it tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    A little tipsy again Cam?

    Wrong thread brother, but I know you'll catch it tomorrow.
    Damn. I just checked the other thread like half an hour ago and thought, "What the . . . ? I could've sworn I pushed the 'submit' button."

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    Re: Drew Stubbs

    Brewers CF Cain has whiplash from his slam in the wall last night.


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