Maybe he has 'learned' and we just can't quantify it from our couches at home?Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_
Maybe he has 'learned' and we just can't quantify it from our couches at home?
Another thing worth noting is that we don't see Stubbs constantly running into the other outfielders, putting them at risk for injury.
Unpossible.
Just like almost any ball that Gomes doesn't catch is considered testimony to his inadequacy as a fielder, Stubbs can do no wrong out there.
Lot of adhering to received wisdom here, IMO.
Garry Templeton always argued that he got to and fielded the same balls Ozzie did, but he fielded them while standing up...
So...Stubbs might not be a much better fielder than Gomes???
I for one at least think Stubbs is probably earning his UZR this season. So is Gomes for that matter....
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It can't be that. I never watch from a couch. Desk chair or recliner.
UZR is what it is -- I don't think it does a good job of telling us who the best are, but I'm not getting into that again.I for one at least think Stubbs is probably earning his UZR this season. So is Gomes for that matter....
I know Stuubs is a decent defender -- I just don't think he's all that, like many do. I know Gomes is shaky, I just don't think that almost any ball that falls in LF while he's out there was catchable, as some seem to.
Matter of degree (and when it comes to degrees, I certainly don't trust UZR to provide precision shading).
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
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Take away Stubbs mental mistakes early in the year, and he's one of the best defensive CF in the game, easily top ten, maybe top five. I think UZR has it just about right, because when you do account for those mistakes, he's about average.
As for Gomes, I don't think there ever will exist a defensive rating system that could measure how horrible he truely is in LF. He's slow, gets terrible jumps on balls, has terrible fundamentals, and terrible decision making. His only redeeming factor on defense is that he has a lot of heart and tries really hard. I believe that last part makes it seem like he's not as bad as he really is.
UZR might not be great at precision shading, but its take on Stubbs and Gomes this year are not examples of it.
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A little tipsy again Cam?
Wrong thread brother, but I know you'll catch it tomorrow.
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Damn. I just checked the other thread like half an hour ago and thought, "What the . . . ? I could've sworn I pushed the 'submit' button."A little tipsy again Cam?
Wrong thread brother, but I know you'll catch it tomorrow.
It's funny you mention my drinking, though. I'm going straight to a bar once the Reds game is over. But don't worry--I'm walking.
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