Sign me up for the camp that hopes Votto is signed long term. W/ Arroyo & Harang due to come off payroll at the end of this year (assuming they decline the options on them) and Phillips & Coco on the last year of thier deals next season, the Reds should have some room in the buget to sign Votto long term. Aside from Bruce, there are no other bats in the organization due long term contract any time soon. Perhaps signing Votto long term means you can't extend Phillips long term (assuming he'd want to), but if you've got to pick and choose going forward, I'm stickign w/ Votto and hoping Frazier or Valiaka can fill the void at 2nd. On the pitching side, Volquez, Cueto & Bailey will force their hand on whom to sign long term and who to move or let go at some point, but the hopefully effectiveness of Chapman, leake, Wood and others should allow them to pick 1 or 2 of the "older" three and remain w/ a lower payroll going forward.
A lot of it depends on how Joey feels about it. Either way, they guy is going to get paid. Would he be happy signing a 6 year, $80 mil deal w/ the Reds today, or is he the type that is intent to getting to free agency as quickly as possible unless the Reds throw $20 mil+ a season at him? Considerring his issues last year, and the support system in Centerville, does he give the Reds more lee-way for playing in a familar, comfortable environment in an organization that appears to have a very solid young nucleaus? Or perhaps he'd like nothign more than to sign w/ toronto in the future, or perhaps he doesn't care where he lives, he wants that big contract. Only Joey can answer that right now, but the Reds would be foolish to not at least be having discussion with his agent, attempting to at least gleam what his desires are. If they match up, great. If not, hopefully Yonder gives them another option for a left handed masher at 1st.
Pujols will get his because he's historically good and has been so for a better part of this decade.
Joey is good, but he doesn't have the eye popping, glamour stats that Howard has, nor has he been an all time great for almost 10 years. He'll hit over .300, get on base somewhere near .400, and hit his 30 home runs. I think on the open market, which is looking to flooded by 1B such as Adrian Gonzalez or Carlos Pena going to big market teams within the next couple years that would otherwise be paying the big dollars, Votto will get somehere around 13-15 million. We paid that much to Dunn for a good handful of years, and will be paying Brandon Phillips around that much next year.
I think the team can and should hand out that kind of contract to a Joey Votto type player.
I hope it's never sunny in Philly again.
I hope it's never sunny in Philly again.
If Joey Votto OPS .950+ for the next 4 years just watch and see all the press he gets.
This Louisville lineup is going to be absolutely stacked with good prospects. Should be very fun to watch for Reds fans who get a chance.
I'm rooting for Alonso as a LF. The reports about his defense have been better than expected, and I love his OBP.
But I'm rooting even more for Votto to get a long-term deal. If he's not a core player, I don't know what one is.
"Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini
I certainly consider Votto a core player for as long as he's here, but I think the estimates given here are way too low, unless the whole market collapses due to the economy and general bad attendance. Seems to me a lot of the speculation here is based on undervaluing Votto. For instance, who would pay up for Carlos Pena rather than Votto? My assumption is that Votto is playing himself into a group that includes Howard, Fielder, and Gonzalez, a group just one move down from Pujols. What did Howard get? Would you really rather have Howard than Votto?
Well lets confine the "Should the Reds sign Votto" talk elsewhere boys & girls.
Alonso's path to the majors has been staked out and laid forth for him, with no hurdles blocking the path.
The question is - does he treat AAA pitching like a bull in a china shop and force the Reds hand? Or does he answer with a whimper?
Time will tell, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I have no links or anything proving that I actually read these things but I saw somewhere that Yonder isnt awful in left. Seems to take good routes and has an accurate arm. I dont know much more than that.
He is what he is at this point. If you want to make the argument it's a small sample, that's fine. Recovering from injury? Fine. But this "two balls go five more feet and he has an .890 OPS" stuff is ridiculous.
I think the statement is to mean that 2 balls can change how people view him. It actually is a lot similar to our Jay Bruce arguments over the last year. We see things and it makes our judgment of the guy not as bad. Similar to when we see a guy batting .360 we tend to discount it a little bit.
Its a way of judging the situation better. Doesnt mean he should be viewed at a .890 guy but it does put it in a little perspective.