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    Re: The Lebron saga

    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    My sportsbook still has the Cavs as the favorites to retain Lebron:

    Bulls +150

    Cavaliers -150

    Clippers +1000

    Heat +600

    Knicks +200

    Nets +400
    I'd think that is pretty accurate with exception of the Nets and Knicks which I'd flip flop. Not real sure the Heat have that good odds especially if Wade Returns. I don't expect my Bulls to sign him but I think outside of Cleveland they have the most realistic shot. Then again I think Garnetts words to Lebron about loyalty can hurt were quite impactful. Cleveland really needs to go all in right here or he jumps ship, better hire the correct Head Coach.

    Just for the record though I do expect the Bulls to reign in Bosh and perhaps Joe Johnson, with Rose, Deng and Noah that is an outstanding starting 5. But I wish Johnson was a guy who went to the basket more, something the Bulls need is a slasher (other than Rose).
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    I'm a Knicks fan, and I don't really want Bosh. Let him go to Miami or Chicago. Although I can't say I'm thrilled that they're prepared to offer Joe Johnson the max. I think Johnson's good, but not a max-level player.
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    I'm a Knicks fan, and I don't really want Bosh. Let him go to Miami or Chicago. Although I can't say I'm thrilled that they're prepared to offer Joe Johnson the max. I think Johnson's good, but not a max-level player.
    Knicks look to be on the outside looking in on the big name free agents. Could be max deals for Amare' and Johnson if they panic. It almost seemed like a foregone conclusion that a NY area team would land James or Bosh but it seems more and more like the Knicks and Nets are afterthoughts. Looks more and more to me that Bosh is headed to Miami. I still think Cleveland will explore a sign and trade for James here soon. Once July hits we should start hearing more rumors about what Cleveland is looking to do with James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Knicks look to be on the outside looking in on the big name free agents. Could be max deals for Amare' and Johnson if they panic. It almost seemed like a foregone conclusion that a NY area team would land James or Bosh but it seems more and more like the Knicks and Nets are afterthoughts. Looks more and more to me that Bosh is headed to Miami. I still think Cleveland will explore a sign and trade for James here soon. Once July hits we should start hearing more rumors about what Cleveland is looking to do with James.

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    Amare- Knicks
    James- Chicago
    Bosh- Heat
    Nowitzki- Dallas
    Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

    As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

    As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.
    If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.
    The Knicks got in trouble by overpaying guys who were on the way down. I'd rather see them get younger guys like Gay or Chandler with some upside (and some defensive skills).

    I think Gallinari will be an excellent pro. Chandler has a lot of upside as well.

    Lee is good, but a huge defensive liability. He's not going to be worth the contract that he's going to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

    As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.
    I think Dallas can step in an offer an enticing package for James. They are probably the only team that has the assets to offer in a S and T. They have two expiring contracts to offer, Butler and Dampier. Plus they have a couple of young players that Cleveland might be interested in. I could see a package of Roddy B., Butler and first round pick Dominique Jones getting it done. It's not value for value for Lebron but nothing really is. Cleveland might take that deal instead of getting nothing.
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    I just saw two separate links saying that LeBron was going to Miami and Chicago. This is going to be insane. At some point there will be rumors that he is signing with Olympiakos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.
    I think Steve Nash had more to do with it than D'Antoni.

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    Re: The Lebron saga

    From Yahoo Sports:

    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban will pursue a sign-and-trade to lure Atlanta Hawks free agent Joe Johnson(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    The Mavericks are unlikely to engage the Cleveland Cavaliers into a sign-and-trade for LeBron James(notes), but Johnson has emerged as a realistic target for the Mavericks. Johnson, is more likely to embrace a sign-and-trade to the contending Mavs than sign a free-agent contract with New York or Chicago, sources said.

    “New York is far from his first option,” one source with knowledge of Johnson’s thinking said.
    The article also goes on to say that Toronto will listen to S and T for Bosh. Houston has wanted Bosh all off season. I could see them putting in an offer to steal him away from free agency. It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.
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    Re: The Lebron saga

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.
    There's always Carlos Boozer. He'd do as well for the Knicks as former Jazz import Scott Layden did.

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    Re: The Lebron saga

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.
    If the Knicks don't get LeBron or Wade, I'd rather get shut out. I think the max for Bosh, Johnson and Boozer is overpaying.

    I'd set my sights on lower priced targets like Gay, Chandler and possible trades.

    Salary flexibility is more important than overpaying for the Joe Johnsons of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    If the Knicks don't get LeBron or Wade, I'd rather get shut out. I think the max for Bosh, Johnson and Boozer is overpaying.

    I'd set my sights on lower priced targets like Gay, Chandler and possible trades.

    Salary flexibility is more important than overpaying for the Joe Johnsons of the world.
    I don't think Joe Johnson will get the max, though I have heard some big numbers thrown out his way. Too many teams don't want to end up in trouble with the cap. I would think working out a deal for Gay and Amare would be a nice haul for the Knicks and from what I have read they will start with Johnson and Amare in LA on the eve of free agency.
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    Re: The Lebron saga

    Stephen A. Smith said yesterday that he has 19 sources that tell him that Lebron and Bosh will join Wade in Miami.
    Smith to Dan Patrick on Monday:

    I got a call last night from a source and I double-checked it with another and they told me essentially that LeBron James and Chris Bosh are going to tag team and go together and join Dwyane Wade in Miami.

    Around 10 o’clock last night or so I heard the news and stayed up for a few more hours and made a few phone calls and I felt comfortable enough to go with what I reported.

    I believe it’s highly likely, I wouldn’t say anything is a done deal with LeBron James until it’s signed.

    Last night I heard emphatically that this is the direction that LeBron James has leaned toward and Dwyane Wade has done a very, very good job of convincing them (James and Bosh) not just about Pat Riley, not just about the fact there are no state (income) taxes in the state of Florida but at the same time he’s there in a tandem and that’s what it’s going to take. Either that or a three-headed monster to win multiple championships and that LeBron James is all in.
    I don't know how reliable Smith has been in the past on predictions, but I have a tough time believing this one.

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