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Way to misreport the numbers, Jeff Fletcher. Hicks OPSed .900 in rookie ball. His overall minor league OPS is .792. He OPSed .735 in A last year and is OPS .776 so far this year in A ball. He's 20 years old.
If the Twins offer Hicks and Ramos, that is a pretty good package. I still think Alonso and Wood equates to a better package though. Hicks does have great speed and an awesome arm...plays great defense. Power is supposed to "develop." He kind of reminds me of Stubbs actually, although I think he is probably going to be better than Stubbs. Definitely a very good prospect, but in my opinion, he's still a question mark. I think Alonso is a better prospect right now.
If the Reds offered Stubbs and Mesoraco, that's an infinitely better package, but I'm hoping Mesoraco is not included in the package.
Last edited by fearofpopvol1; 07-06-2010 at 12:45 AM.
Alonso and Heisey is a better package. Throw in Francisco and that would allow them to move Lopez to the Mets for more prospects and it's shoulders above Ramos and Hicks. There is no need to include Wood or Mez in this deal.
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With all this talk of Cliff Lee, are people making these proposed deals w/ the thinking that the Reds re-sign him or as a 2 month rental?
This from the Twins local reporter LaVelle E. Nea by way of MLBTRl:
If the Twins are really offering Hicks and Ramos, my guess is the Reds will have to give up 2 of Mesoraco, Alonso, and Heisey, and that still may not be enough. I could live with trading 2 of those guys, although anymore than that and I'd focus my attention elsewhere, including Arizona and Houston.The Twins aren't close to a deal for Lee, a team source tells LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune (via Twitter).
Last edited by Benihana; 07-06-2010 at 01:06 AM.
I would rather not give up Mes, but we could certainly afford to give up three prospects for a rental of Cliff Lee. Won't we get two draft choices from offering him arbitration when he turns it down? So if we gave up, say, Alonso, Heisey, and Wood, we'd theoretically get replacements for two of the three in the draft. The third player would be the actual cost of the rental. I think that's a fair price, but I'd try to avoid giving up Mes...catchers take so long to develop and he looks like he's just about there. He could be something special for years to come.
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I don't think the M's are really interested as much in Wood, but if an additional piece is required, perhaps Frazier or Francisco would round out the deal.
Perhaps the rumor deal was to see if anti up the offer?
I want this deal as a Reds fan.. This team is stacked with talent in the minors that may or may not be great and most of them are blocked by talent at the big league level. It's 2+ months.. But how far did Philly get? They didn't need to make any moves and they did. Just saying this team can go from good to great with a move like this. If everyone is ok with Aaron Harang in the rotation and having our pen drained due to pitchers going 5-6 innings then so be it. I want that ace who can carry a team to not only the postseason but beyond.
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His K-rate and W-rate are as good or better than ever, and his BABIP is .340.
There appears to be little wrong with Haren this season, and since he's signed for 2 more years beyond this year (incluing his option) he's a more likely Walt target.
I went back to look at what Lee did for Philly after the trade last year. It is pretty remarkable. Not only did he pitch well to get them there, he also pitched extremely well on the big stage that is the playoffs. The Reds have no one on the pitching staff who can say they've been there, done that. Arroyo pitched mostly out of the 'pen for Boston, back in 2003-2004, and didn't fare too terribly well then either.
So post-season experience is a HUGE reason the Reds should be considering this move.
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