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    05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    Orlando Cabrera ss
    Miguel Cairo 1b
    Brandon Phillips 2b
    Scott Rolen 3b
    Jay Bruce rf
    Laynce Nix lf
    Drew Stubbs cf
    Ryan Hanigan c
    Bronson Arroyo p
    Dusty turns to Miguel Cairo to get the Reds back on their good foot. He doesn't hit. He doesn't get on base. He has no power. Let's put him up near the top of the lineup. Makes sense to Dusty.

    Amazing. I know it is a small sample size but Joey Votto's stats against Ohlendorf (Pirate's starter tonight) are as follows:

    9 PA 7 AB 4 H 1 2B 1 3B 1 HR 1 RBI 2 BB 0 K .571/.667/1.429/2.095

    Here is every at-bat Joey has had against Ohlendorf:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...1&n1=ohlenro01

    One of his three outs was a flyout to deep CF/LF, meaning he probably just missed another extra base hit.

    From CNNSI preview of the game:
    Ohlendorf is 1-1 with a 3.94 ERA in three starts versus Cincinnati, and he'll certainly want to be careful pitching to Joey Votto . The Reds first baseman, batting .400 over his last nine games, has hit for the cycle in seven career at-bats against Ohlendorf.
    LOL, Dusty you jokester you. No, Ohlendorf won't have to be careful pitching to Joey Votto. Dusty took care of that in order to get some Veteran Crustiness (i.e. Miguel Cairo) into the lineup.

    So you take out your hot cleanup stick, who has had mega-success against the other team's starter, to stick Miguel Cairo in the 2-spot.

    I sure hope it works out, but only Dusty would think that is a good idea.




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    Last edited by texasdave; 05-26-2010 at 04:26 PM.

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    Re: 05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    He can sac bunt Cabrera over man. Thats all that matters out of the 2 hole. Making good positive outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    He can sac bunt Cabrera over man. Thats all that matters out of the 2 hole. Making good positive outs.
    Since you brought that up, just thought I'd post that the REDS are at the NL average (33%) for "making positive outs". The Top-3 are the Padres, Mets and Giants at 43%, 42% and 40%, respectively.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-batting.shtml

    They are dead last in getting runners home from 3rd and less than 2 outs, though. I've always attributed that stat situation to the Manager. Not surprised that we're the worst at that since Duhsty is the Manager. Odd, because Roger Craig, his mentor, was excellent at it.

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    Whatever happened to the Ron Coomer's of the world? The guys who could fake it defensively at all 4 corners and could give you enough offense to not be embarrassing? Now all there seems to be is utility infielders who can't hit anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegsToday View Post
    Whatever happened to the Ron Coomer's of the world? The guys who could fake it defensively at all 4 corners and could give you enough offense to not be embarrassing? Now all there seems to be is utility infielders who can't hit anything.
    And it's not like Cairo has a glove because he doesn't. I would have loved to been in on that discussion when they decided that Cairo would come north with the team at the end of spring training.

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    Re: 05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    Seriously, the more I think about it the more I think the Reds FO should be embarrassed that we are running Miguel Cairo out to 1b as a backup to one of the best hitters in the league.

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    Maybe Joey is hurt. That is the only logical explanation. And even if he was hurt, I would probably go with Sutton over Cairo. If Sutton can make it to the park by game time.

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    Joey apparently needs a day off and has a stiff neck. Im fine with the guy taking a day off. Cairo being his back up is the huge issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Joey apparently needs a day off and has a stiff neck. Im fine with the guy taking a day off. Cairo being his back up is the huge issue.
    That was the only way this thing made sense. If Votto was hurt. Still, Miguel Cairo?

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    Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan_12 View Post
    Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty
    And, bat Hanigan 2nd and Cairo 9th (since he's the worst hitter on the team, even worse than Arroyo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan_12 View Post
    Thats fine and dandy with Joey getting a day off, god knows he deserves one, but I am at a loss of words for Miguel "freaking" Cairo getting the start. With Hanigan catching, it would make since for Ramon to be at 1st. Only under Dusdty
    Maybe the best point in all of this. Ramon filled in for Joey last year. His power is more or less gone, but he's still a much better hitter than Cairo and was surprisingly good defensively at first when he filled in there last year.

    But no, you have to give Cairo a start. Can't put your best possible lineup out there and best foot forward when you're battling the Cardinals for 1st place and playing the lowly Pirates. Heck, even though he's scuffling right now, Gomes would be a better alternative. Obviously he's a better hitter, and defensively you wouldn't be lossing much if anything in comparison to Cairo.

    Maybe Dusty promised Miguel's mom or someone in his family that he'd give Miguel a start. After all, it's pretty much little league managing at its finest.

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    Re: 05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Dusty turns to Miguel Cairo to get the Reds back on their good foot. He doesn't hit. He doesn't get on base. He has no power. Let's put him up near the top of the lineup. Makes sense to Dusty.
    Unbelievable.

    And, he won't even use Del Rosario. 1 batter so far. I hope he uses him today.

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    Re: 05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    guess i'll skip out on tonights game.

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    Re: 05/26/10 Wednesday Reds/Pirates

    Well, this is nothing but Walt Jockety's fault.

    Baker can't play Cairo if you don't put Cairo on the roster.

    Hurry up and get Sutton or Castillo up here and DFA Cairo.

    (Or, whoever's going to pitch for Homer on Friday, he'll take Cairo's place)


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