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    Chapman is close according to Jocketty

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    How close is Chapman to consideration for a promotion if another pitcher is needed?

    "I think he's pretty close," Jocketty said.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    I'm not buying it yet. I'd like to see a few starts in a row where he really spots his pitches better and is much more pitch efficient.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I'm not buying it yet. I'd like to see a few starts in a row where he really spots his pitches better and is much more pitch efficient.
    Chapman with just 45.2 IP so far this year. Needs another 12 or 13 starts in AAA IMO and then a call to the pen for August and September.
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Chapman with just 45.2 IP so far this year. Needs another 12 or 13 starts in AAA IMO and then a call to the pen for August and September.
    This is what I would prefer. Barring an injury from someone in the rotation, why rush him? It's not even necessary right now. Let him get comfortable and show he can be consistent first. Something he hasn't proven just yet.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    If anyone is desperate for pitching in the next six to eight weeks and Harang draws interest, I see him being dealt and the team relying on the depth in Lousiville with LeCure, Chapman, Maloney, Wood and even Volquez & Klinker. Wouldn't shock me to see a deal including Wood or Maloney either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    If anyone is desperate for pitching in the next six to eight weeks and Harang draws interest, I see him being dealt and the team relying on the depth in Lousiville with LeCure, Chapman, Maloney, Wood and even Volquez & Klinker. Wouldn't shock me to see a deal including Wood or Maloney either.
    I'd be very very surprised if the Reds are sellers. No AL contender will want Harang, and the Reds won't deal him to anyone they may be competing with for a playoff spot.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    I'd be very very surprised if the Reds are sellers. No AL contender will want Harang, and the Reds won't deal him to anyone they may be competing with for a playoff spot.
    I don't expect the Reds to be sellers at all. In fact, I expect them to possibly even add a piece or two. In Harang's case though, they have some very promising young arms that could give you similar production and with those arms, i don't see them picking up Aaron's option for next year.

    If there is interest, dealing Harang between now and the deadine, in adddition to getting something in return for him, can free up a few million dollars in salary to use for acquisitions.

    I'm not saying give him away or just deal him to deal him. If there aren't any offers of value, I don't have any problem with Aaron remaining in the rotation for the rest of the year. If someone is hurting for another arm come the all-star break, Jocetty might just be able to steal a young talent and add a verteran bullpen arm or bat with the savings.
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    I don't expect the Reds to be sellers at all. In fact, I expect them to possibly even add a piece or two. In Harang's case though, they have some very promising young arms that could give you similar production and with those arms, i don't see them picking up Aaron's option for next year.

    If there is interest, dealing Harang between now and the deadine, in adddition to getting something in return for him, can free up a few million dollars in salary to use for acquisitions.

    I'm not saying give him away or just deal him to deal him. If there aren't any offers of value, I don't have any problem with Aaron remaining in the rotation for the rest of the year. If someone is hurting for another arm come the all-star break, Jocetty might just be able to steal a young talent and add a verteran bullpen arm or bat with the savings.
    If harang gets traded, his $14M option for 2011 becomes mutual, which he will obviously exercise. No one is taking on that salary, and the Reds picking up that salary wouldn't make any sense. Harang isn't going anywhere.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    If harang gets traded, his $14M option for 2011 becomes mutual, which he will obviously exercise. No one is taking on that salary, and the Reds picking up that salary wouldn't make any sense. Harang isn't going anywhere.
    Just checked Cots and you are correct about the option. Scratch any idea of moving Harang. He was pretty good in relief at SD a couple years ago. Might be in his future.
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    If harang gets traded, his $14M option for 2011 becomes mutual, which he will obviously exercise. No one is taking on that salary, and the Reds picking up that salary wouldn't make any sense. Harang isn't going anywhere.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a "mutual" option mean both the player and the team have to exercise it for it to be picked up?
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    If anyone is desperate for pitching in the next six to eight weeks and Harang draws interest, I see him being dealt and the team relying on the depth in Lousiville with LeCure, Chapman, Maloney, Wood and even Volquez & Klinker. Wouldn't shock me to see a deal including Wood or Maloney either.
    Harang's xFIP is 3.84.

    Leake's xFIP is 4.07.


    I wouldn't be so eager to sell. We've seen how peripherals have a way of being born out over time with Volquez and Cueto's hot starts in recent years, along with the fact that Arroyo always seems to bring it together by years end.

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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Harang's xFIP is 3.84.

    Leake's xFIP is 4.07.


    I wouldn't be so eager to sell. We've seen how peripherals have a way of being born out over time with Volquez and Cueto's hot starts in recent years, along with the fact that Arroyo always seems to bring it together by years end.
    More proof that all these theoretical run value stats should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Harang scores well because he gets some K and is forgiven for his BABIP of .338, while Leake's BABIP of .277 works against him. Sometimes BABIP is about the quality of the pitcher and his ability to keep the other guy off balance. The difference is Leake causes poor contact while Harang gives up a bunch of ropes. If you want to look at peripherals, look at the HR/9. Harang's is .96 higher than Leake's. That's not an accident either though I'm sure that Harang's 15.3% HR/FB rate vs. Leake's 6.9% is considered luck in the calculation. IMO there should be a meatball % to explain this. Fact is that Harang these days simply throws a lot more pitches that are easy to hit which explains the BABIP and HR/FB%. Luck has little to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    More proof that all these theoretical run value stats should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Harang scores well because he gets some K and is forgiven for his BABIP of .338, while Leake's BABIP of .277 works against him. Sometimes BABIP is about the quality of the pitcher and his ability to keep the other guy off balance. The difference is Leake causes poor contact while Harang gives up a bunch of ropes. If you want to look at peripherals, look at the HR/9. Harang's is .96 higher than Leake's. That's not an accident either though I'm sure that Harang's 15.3% HR/FB rate vs. Leake's 6.9% is considered luck in the calculation. IMO there should be a meatball % to explain this. Fact is that Harang these days simply throws a lot more pitches that are easy to hit which explains the BABIP and HR/FB%. Luck has little to do with it.
    I think you're being quite a bit too dismissive. I'm not saying Harang is th better pitcher, only that the difference isn't near what their respective ERA indicates. Their numbers are going to normalize to some degree. I don't know how much but it'll probably be significant. It happens over and over and over again.
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by kpresidente View Post
    Harang's xFIP is 3.84.

    Leake's xFIP is 4.07.


    I wouldn't be so eager to sell. We've seen how peripherals have a way of being born out over time with Volquez and Cueto's hot starts in recent years, along with the fact that Arroyo always seems to bring it together by years end.
    I think Harang can still be a very valuable asset to this team. That said....at 12M per year, for what looks to be the Reds #4 or #5 starter.....I'd sell him in a heartbeat to get anything back of value.

    Best case scenario would be for a stud middle infielder a couple years away and a quality bullpen arm.
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    Re: Chapman is close according to Jocketty

    Chapman is close, but LeClure is here.


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