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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I wonder if it will ultimately be Wimmers.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

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    On the first pick, I would doubt that Walt simply defers. It's not an insignificant decision. My guess is Walt makes the call on the first pick, although he clearly listens hard to what Buckley says.

    Beyond the first pick, doubt Walt has much to say, except on general philosophy.
    I am going to just strongly disagree with just about everything here.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I think Buckley makes the call on the first pick, with signoff from Jocketty -- if it's a guy that's possibly going to strain the budget, Jocketty goes to ownership before giving his signoff. Jocketty doesn't impress me as the kind of GM who's going to overrule his scouting director, unless there's a red flag (having to do with signability or perhaps health).
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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I don't think he mentioned everyone they are interested in. I think they might grab Whitson if he gets by Toronto.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

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    The only guy there I would be happy with is Deck McGuire out of that list. The rest of the guys just have big weaknesses that worry me. This draft is full of a lot of guys that are normally #20-40 type guys and lacking a lot of guys that are #10-20 type guys.
    Agree with this. I was just about to post something citing McGuire as a sleeper pick for the Reds. I'd take him over any of the players on that list other than Colon, who I'd be content with- although, like Gordon Beckham, I like him a lot less as a 2B than as a SS.
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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I don't believe Mike Leake was linked to the Reds until about an hour before the draft. This front office is a cloak and dagger operation, I like that.
    Last year shortly before the draft, Buckley divulged these 4 names:

    Alex White, Mike Minor, Tyler Matzek, Shelby Miller. Only MInor was off the board when the Reds picked. It could be they moved to Leake because of bonus demands -- I don't know -- but I think it suggests that the list is still speculative to a certain extent.
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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    My neighbor for a number of years now is an MLB Asst GM. Prior to being the Asst GM, he used to be the Scouting Director for an NL team not based in my current hometown. He telecommutes until the month before draft day when he travels to the team's city and then comes home after the draft is over.

    He told me flat out that every year he gets to make the call of the #1 pick and any additional first rounders they make, due to the money involved. After round #1 - he typically left it up to his scouts based off their Top 800 nationwide rank of who they liked and who was available.

    His GM basically tells him every year, here is your budget - use it wisely. And he also told me he won't even tell his wife who he is picking until he calls it in to MLB on draft day. Which is both pretty standard in the industry.

    And his GM is an old school type like Jocketty.

    So yeah, the idea of Walt having inputs on the draft - seems pretty far fetched to me. Buckley might tell him who he is picking but the choice is Buckley's.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    And Buckley's list this year worries me.

    McGwire - a really tall pitcher who doesn't dominate despite his size. Nothing outstanding.

    Colon - a really short, squat future 2B who is slow, has questionable power and questionable fielding skills. Repped by Boras and reportedly wants a ton of cash.

    Vitek - a guy playing in a hyper inflated hitters ballpark against poor collegiate competition. And with no discernable position.

    Brown - a leadoff & speed guy (with zero power) who has serious issues taking a walk. He is like Colon - a Boras guy who reportedly wants big bucks.

    Given those choices, please let it be Wimmers.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    Buckley gets paid all year for two days of work. I would hope he has control over those two days.
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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post

    So yeah, the idea of Walt having inputs on the draft - seems pretty far fetched to me. Buckley might tell him who he is picking but the choice is Buckley's.
    I would doubt that this is universal practice. Remember when Alonso was drafted? Walt knew him extremely well and discussed him at length with the media. It was apparent that Walt had very substantial input into that decision.

    There are probably some years when the GM is indifferent. Perhaps if the Reds had the 25th pick, I could see Walt simply deferring.

    But with a high first draft choice I think the buck stops with the GM, ownership expects the GM to be on top of it, and the GM ultimately has veto power to say no if he disagrees.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I've had the impression that Buckley gets a lot of power in the draft. Always seems like hes running the show. Then again im not close and thats just my perception.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    And Buckley's list this year worries me.

    McGwire - a really tall pitcher who doesn't dominate despite his size. Nothing outstanding.

    Colon - a really short, squat future 2B who is slow, has questionable power and questionable fielding skills. Repped by Boras and reportedly wants a ton of cash.

    Vitek - a guy playing in a hyper inflated hitters ballpark against poor collegiate competition. And with no discernable position.

    Brown - a leadoff & speed guy (with zero power) who has serious issues taking a walk. He is like Colon - a Boras guy who reportedly wants big bucks.

    Given those choices, please let it be Wimmers.
    I really agree with this. I looked over this list and really think it has to be a misdirection. Buckley is always coy, he's like Krivsky II, eye's darting all around.
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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    My two cents says it's:

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    I can't see how Walt would have nothing to do with the first pick. I would bet that he gets involved in overall draft philosophy (organization is shallow in pitching, for example) and would probably need to sign off on the top pick, at a minimum. If Buckley wanted to take a non-once in a generation must draft first baseman, I would think that Walt would have to get involved.

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    Re: Chris Buckley's list of players Reds are interested in with #12 pick

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I can't see how Walt would have nothing to do with the first pick. I would bet that he gets involved in overall draft philosophy (organization is shallow in pitching, for example) and would probably need to sign off on the top pick, at a minimum. If Buckley wanted to take a non-once in a generation must draft first baseman, I would think that Walt would have to get involved.
    I think along the lines of this. IMO Jocketty may not decide who is going to be picked in the first round but the name would have to be run by him and he would have veto power. I think they would compile a list of players and Jocketty would have a chance to pull certain player off their board due to red flags, agents, and signablity issues.


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