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    Re: Armando Galarraga perfect through 7

    You've got to feel bad for Joyce on a human level. Like a car accident where the driver just didn't see the person, it can leave a bigger emotional scar on the driver the person who got hit.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Didn't look that close to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Accounts out of Detroit have Jim Joyce utterly distraught about his blown call. He might never be the same. Very sad.

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    I'm not sad for him at all. In that situation every ump knows to error big time on the side of the perfect game. Have you seen the call on the last pitch of Don Larson's perfect game? It wasn't even close but called a strike because you don't lose a perfect game on a close call. It always goes to the defense.

    The fact that Joyce did not know that, or understand that is his own fault.
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    I'm not talking about one incident nor do I want conferences. They are theater and a waste of time. If the ump in position to make the call couldn't get it right, I see no reason to involve the rest of the crew and certainly no reason for the umps to leave the field of play.

    Let the manager challenge the call (once per game) and have an official in the booth view the replay(s), make the call, and inform the crew chief via radio. It would apply to only to boundary calls, force plays, and tags.

    Is it perfect? No. But it would be a quick and painless way to correct gross mistakes with virtually no impact on the pace and length of the game.

    If you want to speed up the pace of the game, call the real strikezone and get more swings, more balls in play, more strikes and not so many boring walks and deep counts.
    Any break in the action is just another chance to sell stuff = longer games.

    I'm all for whatever technology speeds up the game, but challenges (even just one a game) ain't it.

    And I'm more than fine replacing home plate umps with tech. You're preaching to the choir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    Didn't look that close to me.
    It's a really easy call to make in slo-mo after repeated viewing. Making it at full speed in the heat of the moment? Not so much.

    Umpires have a ridiculously difficult job that constantly challenges the limit of human perception. It's a shame MLB execs limit their ability to get help making the right call.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Just saw Galarraga interviewed on MLB Network- I am now a big fan of the man. He showed incredible charity; said that Joyce was totally apologetic, and looked like he felt worse than Galarraga did.

    Galarraga said that he gave Joyce a hug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Any break in the action is just another chance to sell stuff = longer games.

    I'm all for whatever technology speeds up the game, but challenges (even just one a game) ain't it.

    And I'm more than fine replacing home plate umps with tech. You're preaching to the choir.
    I'm glad we agree on the latter point. But you can't convince me that getting it done quick is a higher priority than getting it done right. Especially when the time cost is tiny and outcome cost potentially very high.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    What I can't understand is if Joyce - or any ump - knows they blew the call right away, why don't they just reverse themselves.
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    Re: Armando Galarraga perfect through 7

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    You've got to feel bad for Joyce on a human level. Like a car accident where the driver just didn't see the person, it can leave a bigger emotional scar on the driver the person who got hit.
    Only this was more like a guy running a red light and killing someone. This was all Joyces fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Just saw Galarraga interviewed on MLB Network- I am now a big fan of the man. He showed incredible charity; said that Joyce was totally apologetic, and looked like he felt worse than Galarraga did.

    Galarraga said that he gave Joyce a hug.
    I'd like to know how much money Joyce just stole out of Galarraga's pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I'm not sad for him at all. In that situation every ump knows to error big time on the side of the perfect game. Have you seen the call on the last pitch of Don Larson's perfect game? It wasn't even close but called a strike because you don't lose a perfect game on a close call. It always goes to the defense.

    The fact that Joyce did not know that, or understand that is his own fault.
    No kidding. He gets zero sympathy from me, and I'm an umpire myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Only this was more like a guy running a red light and killing someone. This was all Joyces fault.
    Well, that's the analogy I wanted to use. It was all the driver's fault in my case too, but it was an honest one. It's not like Joyce was drunk. I chose not to b/c I figured people would freak out that I'd compare a baseball play to a person's death...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    What a great moment in Comerica:Jim Joyce apologizes to Galarraga, Galarraga accepts, they hug. Class by Joyce, incredible class by the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Only this was more like a guy running a red light and killing someone. This was all Joyces fault.


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    Re: Armando Galarraga perfect through 7

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It's a really easy call to make in slo-mo after repeated viewing. Making it at full speed in the heat of the moment? Not so much.

    Umpires have a ridiculously difficult job that constantly challenges the limit of human perception. It's a shame MLB execs limit their ability to get help making the right call.
    The play at first, no matter how close, is one of the easiest to make You are right there, and it's all in front of you. That play gets called rught. 99.99% of the time.
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