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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    Hopefully Grandal can perform and Meso continues to take strides. Talk about a trade chip down the line
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    Quote Originally Posted by indy_dave00 View Post
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    It seems like a lock to be signed. The fact he is in town, taking physicals and sitting with the manager tells me they couldnt be closer to a signing.

    Its amazing that the Reds beat writers havent really come up with anything other than "he took a physical" heck they didnt even mention he was at the ball park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    It seems like a lock to be signed. The fact he is in town, taking physicals and sitting with the manager tells me they couldnt be closer to a signing.

    Its amazing that the Reds beat writers havent really come up with anything other than "he took a physical" heck they didnt even mention he was at the ball park.
    Yep, taking physicals is usually the very last step to signing
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    From Fay:

    The Reds are confident that they will get top pick Yasmani Grandal signed by the midnight deadline.
    My guess is the money has been agreed to, but the sticking point remains whether Grandal gets a Major League contract or not. The Reds gave a big league deal to Yonder Alonso two years ago. The difference between now and then is space on the 40-man roster is much tighter.
    Good news. The post also says the Reds are hopeful to sign Cisco as well.
    This will not change until the Reds win the World Series.......

    April 28, 2006.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    How stupid would a player be to not sign if he agrees on the money but doesnt get the major league 40 man roster spot.

    "yea we really think its a fair offer but that roster spot is worth so much that we really think your offer now isnt good enough"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    How stupid would a player be to not sign if he agrees on the money but doesnt get the major league 40 man roster spot.

    "yea we really think its a fair offer but that roster spot is worth so much that we really think your offer now isnt good enough"

    It depends if he's only really willing to accept the bonus money (less than he wanted) as a trade off for the roster spot.

    The "major league deal" can be worth millions in the long run.

    The "major league deal" is not a perk, it's a substantial component of the overall value of the deal.
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    Major league deals arent worth that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIDP View Post
    Major league deals arent worth that much.
    It might well get you eligible for arbitration a few years earlier, and even FA.

    It can be worth millions.

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    It basically does nothing other than get you DFA'd quicker.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    Yep, Major League deal only really helps you if you are a bust. Arb and Free Agency are determined by time spent on the active and DL rosters.

    But it guarentees you won't be in minors more than 3 years.

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    So did he get signed in time or not?

    EDIT: Never mind. I guess the deadline is not until tonight.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Yep, Major League deal only really helps you if you are a bust. Arb and Free Agency are determined by time spent on the active and DL rosters.

    But it guarentees you won't be in minors more than 3 years.
    It is actually 4 years if it is signed this late because of the lack of an option being used this season + the extra option with less than 5 years as a pro.

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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    Differences between Major League deal and not:

    * Guarantees entry into the majors within the next 3 seasons, as he immediately would be placed on the 40-man roster (it could be as many as 9 years, in theory, without being put on the roster); If he sticks, this would actually guarantee him a much higher lifetime earning in the big leagues, given the two scenarios and assuming playing to 'x' age.

    * In addition to the signing bonus amount, with a Major League contract, he'll be getting paid $65k while in the minors instead of the going rate for the level he's on (which is usually less than $20k on all stops (except AAA). For A and AA ball, it's around $10-12K.

    * As mentioned, getting a Major League deal gets him to arbitration as early as 26 or 27 years old, whereas he otherwise could potentially be 30 (or more) before getting there. That also means possibly going into free agency at his prime age instead of post-prime. This, again, means the possibility of a higher career earnings. Think time value of money.

    The downside, of course, is that it forces his development into a pattern that has been historically unkind for prospects. If he's not ready for the majors, it enhances the possibility that the Reds won't ever reach his potential, and if he does finally put it together, it's less likely it will be with them but on a second or third chance.

    There are a lot of advantages to a Major League deal--but also disadvantages.
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    Re: Yasmani Grandal

    I still say its more Agent bragging rights than anything.

    If the player is good it doesnt really matter, and if hes bad he probably isnt making much in arbitration if he isnt non tendered before he even reaches it.


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