I don't think Kelley was going to go anywhere else except Notre Dame.
In an alternate universe, Charlie Weiss has great success at Notre Dame. Brian Kelley stays at UC, annually contends at the BCS level, and builds it into a "destination" program.
Some current destination programs haven't always been that way.
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UT is in the same position as MSU. A coach would be crazy to turn down a job opportunity from UT to stay at UC. Just a year or so ago UT showed the main difference between the two schools. UT could "pay" UC to come down and play them in Knoxville. UC doesn't have that leverage now and I doubt they ever will. Until UC quits shilling themselves out for money (look at the VaTech deal last year) they aren't a top 25 type program.
To be honest, I think it's pointless to berate UC for not being in the same class as the top ten traditional schools.
And really, among those 10 schools, there are class divisions. Ohio State drives revenue like crazy, yet clearly cannot compete with the top 4 or 5 football programs in the nation on the field at this point. For whatever reason, they (and, just for the record, everybody else as well -- I'm not hating on OSU per se, just making a point) have been completely outclassed by the SEC top dogs, be it due to raw talent, coaching philosophy, or whatever.
Now as I'm sure every OSU fan is tired of hearing about how OSU isn't in the same class as top-tier SEC schools, UC fans are tired of "never" being able to compete with OSU, the Big Ten, and "real" college football.
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The issue I have is that some are being unrealistic when it comes to UC football. I do give them credit because they have risen from afterthoughts to a nice football program. I see them on a similar level to a lot of second tier BCS conference schools. I do think that if a coaches leaves UC in all likelihood it won't be a lateral move. That said I just don't see UC competing with schools with either a storied football history or a much larger AD budget. In 3 years if UT came calling on Butch Jones and doubled his salary as well as his assistant coaches salary do you think he would leave?
While I agree that UC has a lot to prove, and that a 3-4 year run is hardly a sustained program, I wouldn't be so dismissive of UC's chances. Things change.
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As for what everyone else is saying, I agree with you. tMSU and Tennessee and every other middle of the road Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10 team with 90 years of tradition and millions more in revenue will never be as close to the edge of falling down as UC. As I've said time and time again, UC may be on the same platform, but they're not comfortable there and one bad coach can knock them off to the world below Fresno State.
But unlike those programs who will have to wait for a recruiting scandal or some other fluke to elevate them to be #1 or #2 in their conference, UC is poised to go to a third BCS game in a row. Winning the Big East isn't winning the SEC I'll acknowledge, but it's not winning the MAC conference either. The fact that they get to go to a BCS game is a huge deal. How do you like tMSU's chances of reaching a BCS game in the next 5 years?
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I hope they do. That'd be a great accomplishment for UC. And I hope Butch Jones leads them to many BCS berths for ten years but my hunch is if Butch is as successful as Kelly was, he too will leave for greener pastures. When UC can retain a successful coach their program will have arrived
Coach Butch Jones told ESPN.com's Brian Bennett that USC wide receiver Brandon Carswell will stay in Los Angeles and not transfer to Cincinnati, as it was believed he was going to do.
As Bennett notes, it would've been unlikely that Carswell would see a large role in a Bearcat offense that features Armon Binns, D.J. Woods and Vidal Hazelton.
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