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    Phillips future with the Reds

    Brandon is having a great season with the Reds, but given the budget the Reds have, should the Reds look into trading Brandon in the offseason while he trade value will probably be at it's peak and look to add some depth and look to T. Frazier as our future 2nd basemen?

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    Why trade your best all around player over the last few seasons?

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    Simple, we always have to look at this team budget wise. You have to consider that BP is not going to continue to get better, and yet his pay is going to increase. Would it not be wise of the Reds to deal him when he has the biggest potential at bringing a good return? The Reds have X dollars to work with, and we know players like Votto and Bruce are going to require big money to get them locked in. We have 30 million sitting in AAA right now. You have to think the Reds will probably add a few years to Bronson to keep him around. If T. Frazier is ready to make the jump, why not look at the possibilities this offseason at what BP might bring.

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    Why trade your best all around player over the last few seasons?

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    Re: Phillips future with the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    Why trade your best all around player over the last few seasons?
    Nobody said anything about trading Votto, we're talking about Phillips.

    There will never be a time to trade higher on Phillips IMO.
    Look at his career stats - especially against RHP, and you tell me what looks like the anomaly?!?

    EVEN IF he put up these stats next year, he wouldn't be worth his price tag, not on the Reds. MAYBE if he played SS, but he's too proud to make that move at this point

    And all you armchair GM's have NO CLUE how much $$ we have next year. A lot of guys up for arbitration - including Votto, who needs a long-term deal if we want to have any chance at keeping him here at any discount rates. Cueto, Bailey/Bruce maybe, Volquez maybe, among others. We're going to have to pay to keep these young guys around, and a $12M 2B-man isn't in the plans. Rolen is having a way better season overall, and he's only making $6M. No way, No how is that going to fly.

    Trade him for a SS or pitching, whatever, we can't pay him that type of money.

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    The Reds have Arroyo, Harang and Cordero all coming off the budget in the next 2 years. Plus, Cueto, Bruce and Votto won't get really expensive for at least 2 years. I really don't understand people wanting to move phillips. It's like we have a good team, and people want to do everything to change it.

    Phillips should be a red for at least 3 more years.

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    it would be terrible for the Reds to get rid of him, he may be our overall best player and has a swagger to him

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    Brandon just turned 29 on June 28th. He is only signed through next season ('11) at $11.1M. He'll turn 30 during that season.

    I'd offer him a 2-year $20M extension and see if he goes for it. Remind him that he's got a good team around him and see if he has any interest in a hometown discount. I'm sure he'll gripe about only 2 years though.
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    Re: Phillips future with the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Brandon just turned 29 on June 28th. He is only signed through next season ('11) at $11.1M. He'll turn 30 during that season.

    I'd offer him a 2-year $20M extension and see if he goes for it. Remind him that he's got a good team around him and see if he has any interest in a hometown discount. I'm sure he'll gripe about only 2 years though.
    I'd be willing to wait on Valaika if Phillips was willing to take that. But, beyond that, it just doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    I'd be willing to wait on Valaika if Phillips was willing to take that. But, beyond that, it just doesn't make sense.
    No offense but I have no hope for Valaika. He is a singles hitter and average defensive second baseman.

    Valaika <<<<<<<<<< Phillips

    Phillips has speed and power, and is proven. Gold Glove 2Baseman.

    Phillips may have found his niche this year as a leadoff hitter.
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    Re: Phillips future with the Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    No offense but I have no hope for Valaika. He is a singles hitter and average defensive second baseman.

    Valaika <<<<<<<<<< Phillips

    Phillips has speed and power, and is proven. Gold Glove 2Baseman.

    Phillips may have found his niche this year as a leadoff hitter.
    He is a very, very good singles and doubles hitter and he is a good defensive 2nd baseman.

    You underestimate him.

    We aren't going to get as good a player as Phillips to replace Phillips. It will be at least 20 years before we are lucky enough to have that. But, Phillips won't be worth $50M for the next 5 seasons, which is an amount he should command.

    Valaika will be a .290 hitter in the Majors with good defense. That's ALWAYS acceptable for a 2nd Baseman, when the team's big money is going to be tied up at 1st Base, RF (Bruce), CF (Heisey/Stubbs), LF (Heisey/Stubbs), C (Mesoraco and this year's 1st Round pick) SP1, SP2, SP3, and SP4 (Leake, Cueto, Volquez, Chapman) 2012 through 2015. There's no money left for 2nd Base after 2011.
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    Phillips has a big future with the Reds, maybe 1 or 2 rings in the next 3 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of IH View Post
    Phillips has a big future with the Reds, maybe 1 or 2 rings in the next 3 years
    He's been the most consistent player every year for the last 5 years.

    They need him here next year for the stability. I'd let Valaika take his place after that, though.

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    Why? I offer him a three year deal. I try and sign both Bruce and Votto to backloaded deals, offering them security while also buying out 1-2 years of free agency. To me the finances would work out fine, and give the Reds about a 4 year window after this year.

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    I agree with Neil, Phillips deserves to stay with this team well into the future, why throw him away, he has been a great player for us.
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    Re: Phillips future with the Reds

    The Reds have roughly 37 million coming off the books in Harang, Arroyo and Cordero

    Rolen will make roughly the same for the next 2 years
    If they sign Bruce to about a 5-6 year deal for around 35-40 million, and backload the last 2 years to be around 8-9 million
    If they sign Votto for around 5 years for about 60 million
    They can probably re-up Cueto for about 4 years at about 25 million, backloaded

    In this scenerio by the time in 3 years when Bruce and Votto become more expensive, that's when Phillips is gone, as he hits 32 in his final season.

    Plus, I absolutly believe if the Reds continue to contend attendance will shoot up, especially next year. I could see an extra 10 or so million for players.

    I absolutly believe that is a fairly realistic scenerio.


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