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    Outfield Help?

    We've heard a lot of talk about starters and relievers but not that much talk about a bat to add. I went through the teams toward the lower half of the standings and came with a list of 20 names.

    Kinda slim pickings. Some probably aren't worth having and some might not even be made available by their teams. Which, if any, would you want or would you just stand pat with Heisey, Gomes, Nix & Dickerson? Or are there other names you'd pursue?

    Vernon Wells (TOR)
    Ty Wiggington (BAL)
    Adam Jones (BAL)
    Nick Markakis (BAL)
    Austin Kearns (CLE)
    Matt Laporta (CLE)
    David DeJesus (KC)
    Jose Guillen, (KC)
    Alex Rios (CHI)
    Carlos Quentin (CHI)
    Andruw Jones (CHI)
    Michael Taylor (OAK)
    Cody Ross (FLA)
    Josh Willingham (WAS)
    Adam Dunn (WAS)
    Garrett Jones (PIT)
    Lance Berkman (HOU)
    Carlos Lee (HOU)
    Chris Young (ARI)
    Justin Upton (ARI)


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    Re: Outfield Help?

    The last I heard, the Reds lead the NL in runs, and you're thinking they need to look at adding a bat? If it were a shortstop, I'd understand, but next to the corner infield positions, the outfield is the least of the team's concerns.

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    Re: Outfield Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    The last I heard, the Reds lead the NL in runs, and you're thinking they need to look at adding a bat? If it were a shortstop, I'd understand, but next to the corner infield positions, the outfield is the least of the team's concerns.


    While the Reds do lead the league in runs scored and the outfield isn't a glaring concern. There is always room for improvement.

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    Oh you didn't hear? They went out and got OF help. He is in Louisville, a switch hitter, and OPSing .889.

    He should be up shortly after the All Star Break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    Oh you didn't hear? They went out and got OF help. He is in Louisville, a switch hitter, and OPSing .889.

    He should be up shortly after the All Star Break.
    I'm not a big Mathews fan, but he's not the Plague Taveras was. I like the fact that he can switch hit and run. He's basically a replacement for Dickerson who could get some starts in LF and CF while hitting from the left side. I like him as much as Nix for that job and maybe as much as a healthy Dickerson. If having him around gives the front office the security blanket that allows them to deal Stubbs or Heisey for a TOR arm, then it could be a key move that goes un-noticed.
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    A name I like is Angel Pagan. If the Reds see the need to dump some bucks in order to take on a big fish, I think a Harang for Pagan deal makes some sense. The Mets are getting Beltran back after the break so Pagan becomes a bench player. Harang would slide into the back of their rotation and the dollars saved might allow the Reds to add other needed pieces. Deal Harang and some cash (but still net a savings) for Pagan then deal Alonso and Heisey for Lee or Oswalt. Pagan becomes a more natural partner for Stubbs and Gomes while the rotation upgrades from Harang to a TOR guy to boost the team down the stretch and match-up better in the hoped for play-off series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    A name I like is Angel Pagan. If the Reds see the need to dump some bucks in order to take on a big fish, I think a Harang for Pagan deal makes some sense. The Mets are getting Beltran back after the break so Pagan becomes a bench player. Harang would slide into the back of their rotation and the dollars saved might allow the Reds to add other needed pieces. Deal Harang and some cash (but still net a savings) for Pagan then deal Alonso and Heisey for Lee or Oswalt. Pagan becomes a more natural partner for Stubbs and Gomes while the rotation upgrades from Harang to a TOR guy to boost the team down the stretch and match-up better in the hoped for play-off series.

    Nice trade idea.

    Pagan would be a nice addition. I am a big fan of Chris Carter. He is really blocked out there. I'd be all about moving Harang, Cash and Heisey to the Mets for Carter and Pagan.

    Pagan .356 OBP / 15 SB
    Phillips .368 OBP
    Votto .414 OBP
    Rolen .368 OBP
    Gomes .344 OBP
    Bruce .353 OBP
    Cabrera .284 OBP Wheeze... (Janish .345 OBP / Just saying)
    Hanigan .468 OBP

    That's a sick lineup.

    Hernandez
    Cairo
    Janish
    Stubbs
    Carter

    Not a bad bench.

    Lee/Haren/Oswalt
    Arroyo
    Cueto
    Volquez
    Leake/Bailey/Wood

    Sick rotation.

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    I've made my peace with the fact that GMJ will be along shortly. I think if he stays in a back-up role, it will be fine.

    I also hope that if he does end up with a lot more at-bats than would seem adviseable, that he catches some GABP rejuvenation.

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    If Pagan gets moved, it'll probably be to Seattle.

    Wouldn't Josh Hamilton have looked good in left this year?

    Since the trade, he's basically doubled Volquez' WAR and produced roughly $38M worth of surplus value to Volquez's $20M...
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    Upton, lol. Get him for Ondrusek and Harang while we're at it.
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    Upton, Nick Markakis and Adam Jones are still untouchable, let's disregard them from the list.
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    Re: Outfield Help?

    Nick Markakis has 3 homeruns and an OPS around .800. If the O's really have him as untouchable, they are more lost as a franchise than the Pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Nick Markakis has 3 homeruns and an OPS around .800. If the O's really have him as untouchable, they are more lost as a franchise than the Pirates.
    Seriously? If Jocketty decided Markakis was the key for the playoffs, what Reds players would be sufficient to get him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    If Pagan gets moved, it'll probably be to Seattle.

    Wouldn't Josh Hamilton have looked good in left this year?

    Since the trade, he's basically doubled Volquez' WAR and produced roughly $38M worth of surplus value to Volquez's $20M...
    Why would a rebuilding Mariners team want a guy like Pagan who turns 30 in 2011? Seem like the Mets would be after Lee and the Mariners would probably want Younger guys. Josh Thole, Chirs Carter and Wilmer Flores would be a good package.
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    Edited.
    Last edited by membengal; 07-04-2010 at 09:48 AM.


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