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    Joey Votto Superstar?

    After two more HR tonight, The People's Champion sits at .319 with 21 HR, 59 RBI, and (as of yesterday) a slash line of .412/.572/.984, which rivals his counterpart we all know from the St. Louis Cardinals.

    I think we all had high hopes for Votto when he came up, and he certainly showed glimmers of this sort of domination last season, but I have to say I never expected him to be this good.

    My questions for RZ are the following:

    Is Joey Votto a superstar caliber player?

    Can he maintain this sort of performance all year? How about for many years?

    If he does do something like this, who are his recent comps? Todd Helton? Jeff Bagwell?

    Discuss.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    I said at the end of last year he was approaching Pujols level in terms of production.


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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I said at the end of last year he was approaching Pujols level in terms of production.


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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Votto was an elite player before this season, having the 4th best OPS in the majors.

    He's got he best OPS in the NL this year (.036 over Pujols).

    It's time everyone fianlly realizes what has been apparent for quite some time.

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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Votto was an elite player before this season, having the 4th best OPS in the majors.

    He's got he best OPS in the NL this year (.036 over Pujols).

    It's time everyone fianlly realizes what has been apparent for quite some time.
    Which is... that he's a superstar player?

    Seriously, I know these sorts of labels aren't objectively verifiable, but I wonder at what point Votto will ascend to the pantheon of the games best players. Would he have to put up back-to-back years of this type of production?

    When Votto came up, I really thought the Reds were getting a good 1B. I figured he'd be a consistent .280-.290 hitter with 30 HR and 100 RBI. Not All-World, but solid. Now, at the mid-point of 2010, he's looking like he's actually a good notch or two above what I (and many of you, I recall) thought he was. He's gone from solid starter/borderline All-Star to Pujols-challenging good.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Adrian Gonzalez and Justin Morneau seem like great comps to me.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    After two more HR tonight, The People's Champion sits at .319 with 21 HR, 59 RBI, and (as of yesterday) a slash line of .412/.572/.984, which rivals his counterpart we all know from the St. Louis Cardinals.
    Actually, after tonight, his OPS is at 1.017. Not sure what the slash line numbers are exactly, but I know he's over the elusive 1.000 OPS barrier.

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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    I'd say he's well on his way to entering that territory... Not sure the claim can be made though until the rest of baseball realizes it... His current all-star predicament suggests that's not the case. yet.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    Actually, after tonight, his OPS is at 1.017. Not sure what the slash line numbers are exactly, but I know he's over the elusive 1.000 OPS barrier.
    Right. When I posted the thread, I wasn't able to find updated stats yet. Good to see Joey over the 1.000 line.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    .418/.599/1.017

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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Morneau is a good comp. I wish he was a few years younger but yes he is a superstar and our superstar
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Yes.

    I mean, isn't Joey Votto the NL MVP if we vote today?

    -Leader in OPS
    -Leader in HR
    -Tied 4th in RBI
    -Hitting .318, 4th in league

    and he even has 7 steals!

    And, oh ya, the Reds are in 1st place.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Yes, he is what we always hoped Sean Casey would grow into.
    SuperStar!

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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by Playadlc View Post
    Yes.

    I mean, isn't Joey Votto the NL MVP if we vote today?

    -Leader in OPS
    -Leader in HR
    -Tied 4th in RBI
    -Hitting .318, 4th in league

    and he even has 7 steals!

    And, oh ya, the Reds are in 1st place.
    BBTN guys said that David Wright and Adrian Gonzalez are their top candidates for NL MVP right now. Apparently they don't watch the Reds play.
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    Re: Joey Votto Superstar?

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    Yes, he is what we always hoped Sean Casey would grow into.
    SuperStar!
    I was thinking this last night. A healthy Sean Casey is ALMOST what Joey Votto is. A healthy Sean Casey was a .950 OPS beast of a hitter.

    But Votto is better defensively, and even has a little speed. You could clock Casey with a sun dial.

    IMO, the only difference between Votto and Pujols, is this is year three for Votto with Pujols being just a tick better, and possibly younger at the same point. (but who really knows. I think El Duque is 54 years old and he just signed with the Nats.)

    I think its a wash between them right now, Votto/Pujols. then the second tier guys: Gonzales, Fielder, Ethier.

    Howard is getting exposed as a short career type. Big guy, stats trending downward.
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