Why would he need to reduce his strikeouts? Pujols strikes out less, but is making more outs than Votto this year.Originally Posted by bucksfan2
Why would he need to reduce his strikeouts? Pujols strikes out less, but is making more outs than Votto this year.
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I am basically saying when you compare the two it is really the one thing that separates Pujols from Votto. Sure Votto has Pujols by a .418 to .413 margin but you are basically splitting hairs. Pujols' numbers are a little off from his career norm and I think the strike out rate is the one thing that Pujols does better than Votto at this stage in their careers.
NL MVP...and not on the all star team.
Yes, that has been done before. Kirk Gibson was the 1988 NL MVP and never made an all star team, not in 1988 and not ever in his major league career.
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And yet, the K difference actually means very little as Pujols is making other outs. And more of them.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
This year Pujols has probably made one or two more outs, really not a big deal. In most years this is what separates Votto from Pujols.
I know there are many people who subscribe to the belief that a K is just an out. I am not one of them.
I am. a K is just an out. that's it.
With nobody on, A K is just another out.
With a man on 1st, It's just an out. occasionally a GB will advance the runner to 2B.
A K is worse only if there is less than 2 out and the runner(s) are on 2nd or 3rd. That's it. But that topic has been beat to death.
Votto's numbers with runners on are actually better than Pujols this year.
With Runners in scoring position, edge to Pujols:Code:Votto: .356 .466 .705 1.171 50 RBI Pujols: .341 .482 .611 1.093 49 RBI
Seems like Pujols is just a west of the Mississippi version of Votto to me.Code:Votto: .311 .442 .622 1.064 34 RBI Pujols: .356 .533 .630 1.163 39 RBI
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
People throw superstar around so casually these days. Is anybody just a star? Derek Jeter is a superstar. Ken Griffey Jr. was a superstar. Superstars are not just elite performers within their sport but are well established elite performers who have become socially relevant.
Votto is a star has the talent to stay a star for a long time. But he's got a long way to go before we can begin to talk superstar.
I don't think there's been a superstar Red since Pete. Larkin was a star. Davis was a star. Chad Johnson is probably the closest thing the city has to a superstar right now.
But that's just my perspective.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
in terms of fame? spot on. Ability? he's a superstar. Temperment? He's a star, and I think he prefers it that way.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Was Pete a superstar?
I'd say no, he was BIG star, but Bench was the superstar.
Rose was a superstar.
To me, a superstar is a player of future Hall of Fame caliber, which Rose clearly was. In the 1970s the three players who had the highest Win Share totals for the decade were Morgan, Bench and Rose, and the Reds had 'em all.
Right now I would call Albert Pujols a superstar; he is a former MVP and clearly of HOF caliber. Joey Votto at the moment I would call a star--if he performs at his 2010 level for several seasons I would then call him a superstar.
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Yeah, I have to agree.
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Pete Rose.
Aqua Velva.
Superstar.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Ok, Pete was a superstar in retrospect, but it did take him longer to get there (Morgan too) JB was a superstar like Albert, pretty much right out of the gate.
Bench was the "chosen one". Annointed by the likes of Ted Williams right out of the gate.
Other than Junior, I can't remember many other players to come along with such "can't miss" status.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
ED, if a half-step below that kind of ballyhoo.Other than Junior, I can't remember many other players to come along with such "can't miss" status.
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