I'll also add that it would be extremely tough to part with catcher Devin Mesoraco (just turned 22, .975 OPS between A+ and AA, throwing out nearly 50% of base stealers). I would have to think long and hard about trading him but the drafting of Yasmani Grandal may make him expendable.
I miss Adam Dunn.
I don't think the deal would be too ridiculous seeing as how it's only half a season of Lee. I think 2 great prospects and 1 good prospect should get it done. I'm fine with Alonso or Wood or whomever. However, I would be disappointed if it ended up being Alonso, Wood and Mesoraco. That just seems like a bit much. I'd much rather swap out Francisco with Mesoraco.
This is too much to think about. I don't want to get my hopes up too much!
Okay, IF the Reds get Lee, what does the staff look like? Would Leake be shut down once Lee makes it over?
Would you option Owings? And Ondrusek? Or stick him in over Bailey or Smith or Bray?
Sure is interesting to ponder!
If these Lee rumors are true, I have a feeling that Wood is being auditioned right now. I read somewhere a while ago that the M's are looking for a catcher and/or a hitter. That does seem to work out with Mesoraco.
I'd like to only see one of those 3 leave in a rental, if possible. I doubt players like Francisco, Frazier, Valaika, Maloney, Klinker interest them much.
Just to play Devil's Advocate (and trust me, I want Cliff Lee), it's worth noting that a little team called the Expos thought that trading away some prospects to get TOR guy in Bartolo Colon was a good idea too.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Looking at what Cleveland got from Philly last year for 1.5 years of Cliff Lee:
* Jason Knapp - 2nd round young pitcher doing well in A ball at 17-18 y/o.
* Carlos Carrasco - #52 by BA pre-2009 - a really fine pitcher in AAA at 22 y/o and striking out over 3 per bb and 8 per 9 innings.
* Jason Donald - 3 round batter - #69 in BA pre-2009 - good AA numbers in 2008 but struggled similar to Frazier is in AAA in 2009.
* Lou Marson - 4th round catcher in AAA at 23 y/o - OPS in minors of .754 driven by OBP.
Philly was able to hang on to 1st rounders Travis d'Arnaud and Kyle Drabek which helped grab Halladay in the offseason. They did give up 2 fine young arms, a decent bat and decent catcher. I'd give comps in the Reds system of Zach Stewart (Knapp), Travis Wood (Carrasco), Todd Frazier (Donald), a young Hanigan? (Marson).
Philly went to the WS, riding Lee the whole way. He is a stud, afterall.
Then in the off-season, for reasons I still don't know, Philly traded Lee to Seattle. I know it seemed to help bring in Halladay, who was willing to sign, but IIRC they could have kept both had they offered a bit more to Toronto.
Anyway, here's what Lee brought Philly for 1 full season's worth to Seattle:
* J. C. Ramirez - must have good "stuff" since is minors ERA is 4.15, he was 20 in high A last year.
* Phillippe Aumont - 1st round flamethrower with control issues, had a good showing in the WBC - #93 by BA pre-2009
* Tyson Gillies - a speedy OF who OPS'd .916 last year in high A, driven by a .430 OBP, 14 triples, and good plate discipline.
Philly recovered the two arms they gave up at the deadline and also added a really nice young player with athleticism to mitigate losing Donald and Marson (BA #69 and 66 pre-2009 respectively).
So, what will Seattle hope to recover from their losses? I'd say they'd need a top arm and a strong bat, at least.
* Wood for Aumont
* Heisey for Gillies
* D. Joseph for Ramirez
Perhaps the upside isn't the same, but the readiness is in the Reds favor for the players I've put up there (and the Mariners could use some readiness). Plus, this is only for half a season, so why should the Mariners get equal for their deal in the off season? That's why I wouldn't go crazy trading 2 first rounders and then some. Our top pitcher and top batter from last year is a really good starting point.
I'd put Yonder in a deal. I'd put Maloney in a deal. Beyond that though, I don't know that I'd sell the farm just for a new horse with a 2-3 month expiration date. However if I knew we were getting him for the next 5 years, nothing would be off limits including Cueto or Bruce.
Championships for MY teams in my lifetime:
Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90
Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13
University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
Cincinnati Bengals - None
Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98
That said, I really thought Philly did a good job last year of keeping their top players out of the discussion. I think the Reds can do the same if they so choose.
I think it is safe to say that the trade deadline this year will be interesting for very different reasons than years past.
"Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
Checked again with Jason from the M's site to see if anything has changed, and his statement is that the Reds need a 3rd team to make the deal work. Not sure why that needs to be the case, but perhaps that's why the Gammons rumor was purposely leaked?