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    Quote Originally Posted by osuceltic View Post
    When you can find us a player that guarantees us a playoff appearance, let us know.

    If that's the standard, then let's just stop wasting our time and Walt's cell minutes with those pesky trade talks.
    No player guarantees a playoff appearance, so I'd urge people not to think Cliff Lee does--as many seem to be assuming.

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    No player guarantees a playoff appearance, so I'd urge people not to think Cliff Lee does--as many seem to be assuming.
    I guarantee Cliff Lee gives the Reds a better shot at a playoff appearance than any other pitcher within the organization.

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Cisco-Heisey-Klinker

    If they really want Cisco more, think this could get it done?
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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Cisco-Heisey-Klinker

    If they really want Cisco more, think this could get it done?
    I'd actually rather give up Alonso than Heisey at this point. Chris (with another HR tonight) is looking more and more like the third of three amigos in the outfield...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Cisco-Heisey-Klinker

    If they really want Cisco more, think this could get it done?

    If the Reds FO is as desperate as RZ, then no. They'll wait for a much bigger package.

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    For those not wanting to deal, im surprised Juan Guzman hasn't been mentioned.

    An innings eater who ultimately left for Tampa in the offseason, we ultimately gave up BJ Ryan, who became a pretty dominant closer for the Orioles, then went to Toronto with an insane FA deal and blew his arm out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    For those not wanting to deal, im surprised Juan Guzman hasn't been mentioned.

    An innings eater who ultimately left for Tampa in the offseason, we ultimately gave up BJ Ryan, who became a pretty dominant closer for the Orioles, then went to Toronto with an insane FA deal and blew his arm out.
    And who helped the Reds get within 1 game of the post-season, far exceeding expectations that year and giving many fans, myself included, some of my all-time favorite Reds memories.

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I disagree with Wood. Wood could very well supply this team with a member of its starting rotation for the next five years "on the cheap". This organization needs cheap contributors.
    Cueto is still cheap.

    Chapman is relatively cheap.

    Volquez is still cheap.

    Maloney is still Cheap.

    Leake is still cheap.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Wood is ready now. I am not sure when Chapman will be ready. I don't feel comfortable projecting Chapman into the 2011 rotation. I know Wood can be.

    If it's me, Wood is going nowhere.

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    Wood really kind of profiles as a back end guy.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    So did Cliff Lee once upon a time. You never know quite where ceilings are with lefties.

    I think Wood can settle in as a "3" someday, if that's how you want to classify him.

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    Wood is ready now. I am not sure when Chapman will be ready. I don't feel comfortable projecting Chapman into the 2011 rotation. I know Wood can be.

    If it's me, Wood is going nowhere.
    Very good observation. Chapman is not looking like he'll be ready any time soon.

    Bailey is still a huge question mark. We're likely to lose Harang and/or Arroyo after this season.

    That leaves us with Cueto, Volquez, and Leake as projectable productive major league arms. Wood is likely needed.

    SP could easily go from a strong suit to a question mark in short order.

    That said, I really would like to see them acquire Lee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    So did Cliff Lee once upon a time. You never know quite where ceilings are with lefties.

    I think Wood can settle in as a "3" someday, if that's how you want to classify him.
    #3 is really optimistic.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    MLBTR has a link up saying that the Mariners are demanding a major league ready stud catcher. You know what I draw the line at Devin Mesoraco. He stays.

    I will not give him up for a rental. Haren, Greinke, even Oswalt yeah I think about it. But not for a rental. Catchers putting up a .950 OPS stay.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Cliff Lee

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    #3 is really optimistic.
    Why?

    He's a second round draft pick. Lefty who can hit 90. Has a 8.4 K/9 rate and .7 HR/9 rate in the minors. His only issue has been control, and he seems to have started to get a handle on it. If he threw mid to low 80's, or didn't have an out pitch, that would be different.

    Who knows what he will turn out to be, but I think his ceiling would be a solid #2, actually.
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