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    Reds need to pull out of trade market

    With it looking like the evil empire will add to their wealth and add Cliff Lee, I really don't see any other possible pitcher on the market outside of Oswalt whom would be that significant of an upgrade over what the Reds already have. As for Oswalt, unless the Stros would be willing to eat some portion of his remaining contract, he is not coming to cincy, nor do I see them dealing him to a division rival. So lets forget about Haren or anyone else, see what Edinison can bring when called up and keep our young talent and go with what has gotten us here. Adding a difference maker like Lee is one thing, trading for talent equal to what you already have is pointless.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    While I don't think Walt will have the same attitude I can see what you're saying. A Dan Haren/Roy Oswalt is a significant step down from Lee and considering the years left on their contracts the price will be high for less impact.

    I think we need to pull out of the trade market for a big name SP. We still could use another solid, experienced bench player to replace Nix, and possibly a reliever. If we can find those inexpensive pieces that still help build a stronger team he needs to jump at the opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    With it looking like the evil empire will add to their wealth and add Cliff Lee, I really don't see any other possible pitcher on the market outside of Oswalt whom would be that significant of an upgrade over what the Reds already have. As for Oswalt, unless the Stros would be willing to eat some portion of his remaining contract, he is not coming to cincy, nor do I see them dealing him to a division rival. So lets forget about Haren or anyone else, see what Edinison can bring when called up and keep our young talent and go with what has gotten us here. Adding a difference maker like Lee is one thing, trading for talent equal to what you already have is pointless.
    If they pull out of the trade market, they look weak like they have for a decade. If I was Walt, as soon as I heard Cashman was talking to Seattle, i would had called Seattle snd offered everything they wanted for Lee.

    The Yankees, like them or not, aren't scared to pull the trigger on things. Teams like the Reds are! The Reds have enough to win the division. But getting a guy like Lee would have made them world series champion contenders. Walt and the Front Office aren't prepared to do what it takes to win a World Series which is ashame because the Reds players finally are ready to do what it takes to win!

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    I agree. Big time starter is probably out. I would like to see another bat off the bench and another set up guy.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    Quote Originally Posted by Carin4Narron View Post
    If they pull out of the trade market, they look weak like they have for a decade. If I was Walt, as soon as I heard Cashman was talking to Seattle, i would had called Seattle snd offered everything they wanted for Lee.

    The Yankees, like them or not, aren't scared to pull the trigger on things. Teams like the Reds are! The Reds have enough to win the division. But getting a guy like Lee would have made them world series champion contenders. Walt and the Front Office aren't prepared to do what it takes to win a World Series which is ashame because the Reds players finally are ready to do what it takes to win!
    The Yankees have that luxury because they can always go out and sign 1-2 top FA's in the offseason if the deal doesn't work out. The lost talent they trade can always be replenished by reaping the benefits of their insane payroll.

    The Reds can't play that game without putting their next 5 years at risk. If they trade away 2 or 3 players that end up being quality starting players at their position at the league minimum, they just threw away their chances at competing for a few years most likely. Two different markets, two different philosophies. It just has to be that way, it's the reality of things. You can't fault the Reds F.O. for not being able to pull the trigger like the Yankees can.
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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    Quote Originally Posted by Carin4Narron View Post
    The Yankees, like them or not, aren't scared to pull the trigger on things. Teams like the Reds are! The Reds have enough to win the division. But getting a guy like Lee would have made them world series champion contenders. Walt and the Front Office aren't prepared to do what it takes to win a World Series which is ashame because the Reds players finally are ready to do what it takes to win!
    The Reds are scared because, unlike the Yankees, they have no margin for error. If they give up players for Lee that go on to be productive (and cheap) for the next several years for the Mariners then the Reds just shot themselves in the foot. Imagine if the Reds would have traded Joey Votto 3 years ago for a half season of whoever was the pitcher of the moment, and that trade didnt result in a title or even a playoff appearance.

    If Montero winds up an All-Star for the Mariners, the Yankees will simply add him to the payroll when he becomes available in 5 years.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    With it looking like the evil empire will add to their wealth and add Cliff Lee, I really don't see any other possible pitcher on the market outside of Oswalt whom would be that significant of an upgrade over what the Reds already have. As for Oswalt, unless the Stros would be willing to eat some portion of his remaining contract, he is not coming to cincy, nor do I see them dealing him to a division rival. So lets forget about Haren or anyone else, see what Edinison can bring when called up and keep our young talent and go with what has gotten us here. Adding a difference maker like Lee is one thing, trading for talent equal to what you already have is pointless.
    I think they realize htat, were quoted as saying it would have to be significant upgrade to make trade/disrupt chemistry/play they have now.
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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    I'm just saying, I think the Reds win that game last night with David DeJesus hitting second.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    I agree with everything you said basically.

    No Lee = No reason to shop any prospects before the deadline. Not a big fan of Haren and I don't Oswalt coming here.

    Not giving up on Lee though until it is a done deal.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    A) Where would he play
    B) what leads you to say that
    C) He can't bat third Orlando is our No. 2 hitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    I'm just saying, I think the Reds win that game last night with David DeJesus hitting second.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    How would it make them look weak? I mean really if the M's are able to "steal" a ton of talent from the Yanks for Lee, more power to them, there is no reason to give up the farm for a 3 month rental.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carin4Narron View Post
    If they pull out of the trade market, they look weak like they have for a decade. If I was Walt, as soon as I heard Cashman was talking to Seattle, i would had called Seattle snd offered everything they wanted for Lee.

    The Yankees, like them or not, aren't scared to pull the trigger on things. Teams like the Reds are! The Reds have enough to win the division. But getting a guy like Lee would have made them world series champion contenders. Walt and the Front Office aren't prepared to do what it takes to win a World Series which is ashame because the Reds players finally are ready to do what it takes to win!

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    CC,Lee,Petitte,Burnett,Hughes.Assuming Vasquez will be part of Lee trade,heck anyone of us could manage that team.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    New rumor has Yankees acquiring Dan Haren, Zach Greinke, Josh Johnson, and Roy Oswalt just in case any of their starters get injured. :

    They're trying to set the payroll record at over $300M. They've already contacted the Guinness Book of Records.

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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    Hold the presses guys, sounds like the Reds could be back in the lead to get Lee.
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    Re: Reds need to pull out of trade market

    Quote Originally Posted by sabometrics View Post
    Hold the presses guys, sounds like the Reds could be back in the lead to get Lee.
    Can you elaborate?


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