Too bad for us.....Originally Posted by HotCorner
Too bad for us.....
Escobar will give the Jays the same thing at SS that Edwin Encarnacion gave them (and the Reds) at 3B: Flashes ofmixed in with a lot of
Escobar and Reyes officially join the long line of overly hyped Braves prospects that goes back to the likes Mike Kelley and Bruce Chen, and include more recent names like Wilson Betemit, Jeff Francouer, Joey Devine, Jung Keun Bong and Bubba Nelson.
If Escobar can figure out how to extract his head from his rectum, he's got a world of talent.
Hopefully there's a world-class proctologist in Toronto waiting for him.
Trading Escobar because of character issues kind of reminds me of another such trade-Carlos Guillen. I wonder if the Ms wish they had that one back...
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Guys off the top of my head that were traded because of character issues: Elijah Dukes, Lastings Milledge, Jose Guillen, Milton Bradley, and Delmon Young.
Sure you can cherry pick times when a bad apple turns good, but more often than not character issue players are uber talented, but never realize their potential.
I wonder if the Cubs wish they could undo the Bradley-Silva trade....Trading Escobar because of character issues kind of reminds me of another such trade-Carlos Guillen. I wonder if the Ms wish they had that one back...
Can we just merge this thread with the "What can the Reds to to help the team now?" thread?
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The thing about the Braves, though, is that Bobby Cox is a lot like Red Foreman from That 70s Show: Bust your butt without being a pain in my butt, and everything will be fine.
If you can do that, history tells us that you are most likely going to be on a team that wins a lot of games and goes to the post-season. It also tells us that if/when you slump as a player, Cox will stick with you and work with you longer than a lot of other managers.
When Warren Buffett sells a stock he's usually ahead of the curve. Same thing with Cox/Schuerholz and young players. The young guys they deal away generally bottom out and fade away on someone else's watch. Outside of Elvis Andrus, very rarely have they dealt away a young guy to watch him blossom elsewhere.
(The Rangers got it right when they put the Braves over a barrell & demanded Andrus for Teixiera a couple of years ago. That's the only deal I remember in 15 years in the ATL where there was unified consensus that giving up Andrus was a steep price to pay.)
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Collins is strange one. Don't know anything about him, but he strikes out a ton, and is listed at 5 foot 7 inches. That's an inch taller than Herrera. That's really baffling, especially since he's in AA, which means he's not a fluke. I would love to see him pitch or read more about him.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
Kal Daniels comes to mind.
Sometimes you get rid of them just in time
What did Kal get booted from RZ?
Wasn't old enough back during Kal's days with the Reds to know.
How could you forget Rob Bell?
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
But what if the 'bad apple' tag isn't justified, or completely accurate? The issues with Escobar sound similar to the complaints the Indians and their fans had about our current second baseman.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
From Baseball America, via Fangraphs:
Pastornicky
CollinsAn athletic infielder, Pastornicky doesn’t have flashy tools but gets the most out of what he has. He has good instincts at shortstop, along with plus range and an average arm. He’s an above-average runner and basestealer, which opposing catchers quickly figured out as he swiped 57 bases between two Class A stops in 2009. Pastornicky has a line-drive stroke and projects as .275 hitter in the big leagues. The only thing he lacks is power, as he has hit just two homers in 636 pro at-bats. But as a potential top-of-the-order hitter who provides sound defense, he may not need it.
He gets outs with a solid fastball that tops out at 93 mph and a true 12-to-6 curveball that he spins really well. His quirky delivery helps him as well. He has a high three-quarters arm slot and does an especially good job of staying on top of the ball and driving down despite his height. He has a high leg kick and stands as far to the third-base side of the rubber as possible.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Spectacular deal for the Jays.
Go Gators!
I find it hard to believe that the Reds couldn't have topped that deal if they didn't want to. It sounds to me like the Reds just weren't all that interested.
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