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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    I remember Sabo for his hot start in 1988 when he was at about .322 at the AS break and looked like he would hit 50 doubles. He was a doubles machine.

    He got off to hot starts in 1989 and 1990 as well....but got injured (like everyone else that year) in 1989 and played less than 80 games...and then slumped badly again in 1990 in the 2nd half. He was just too pull conscious.

    In 1991...he had a very good year. Hits over .300 and came close to 30 homers. 1992...he hurt his ankle badly against LA at home..very early in the year. He hit like Juan Castro the rest of the year.

    1993...he was okay...but Davey Johnson said he seemed to lose some bat speed and he just broke down after that. Complained in 1994 after being moved aside for Leo Gomez i think.....at 3B in Baltimore. Just went downhill fast.

    Based on the criteria everyone speaks of in regards to Reds HOF....I guess i understand why he was picked. I loved those goggles.

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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    It's a hall of FAME. By its very definition its about who is FAMOUS as a Red. Sabo was exceptionally popular and famous as a Red [at least in Cincinnati].

    Were it a Hall of Greats, there are dozens of folks who are in who don't deserve it.

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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    When Spuds was playing I was a youngster who didn't have an appreciation for a player's overall contribution to his team.

    So I gotta say, when they flashed Sabo's career line up on the screen the other night....it didn't look good. I remember him being very popular...thats about it.

    To those who were around back then...what are your impressions of Chris Sabo?
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    I'll tell you what....He may have been the strangest player to ever don a Reds uniform.

    I loved the shirt he was wearing Friday night, and how he just sorta muttered about "still getting along with MOST" of his old teammates.

    How a guy like that can spawn two more than reasonably attractive daughters gives a guy like me hope.

    He also gave me hope as a youngster just starting high school. My Major League aspirations ended right about the time he hit that homer in game three, but the guy lit a fire under me and he was a hoot to watch.

    Definitely one of the more FAMOUS Reds.
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    What about Harry Craft and Wayne Granger do they get rubber stamped as easily?
    I think every single starting position player from the 1975-76 Reds teams deserve to be in the club's hall of fame. That would include Ken Griffey. A couple years ago, ESPN ranked them as the best lineup in the history of baseball just ahead of the '27 Yankees. If you have a problem with Geronimo then that is, indeed, your problem.

    In the rich history of this franchise, you can count their world championships on one hand. Sabo was a huge part of one of them and put together a memorable career here. I have no problem with him being in. Probably the most popular player on that team.
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    The Chief scores the winning run in game 3 of the 1975 World Series. He hit .280 with a triple and two HR's in that series as well as playing his usual great defense.


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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlegs View Post
    I think every single starting position player from the 1975-76 Reds teams deserve to be in the club's hall of fame. That would include Ken Griffey. A couple years ago, ESPN ranked them as the best lineup in the history of baseball just ahead of the '27 Yankees. If you have a problem with Geronimo then that is, indeed, your problem.

    In the rich history of this franchise, you can count their world championships on one hand. Sabo was a huge part of one of them and put together a memorable career here. I have no problem with him being in. Probably the most popular player on that team.
    But that wasn't my question.

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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    If you guys think the Reds Hall of Fame has low standards, you should see some of the guys inducted into the Seattle Pilots Hall of Fame.
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    But that wasn't my question.
    Your question was framed whereas comparisons were made between Harry Craft and Cesar Geronimo. Or at least I'm assuming that's what you meant due to the fact both played centerfield and both were known more for defense than offense.

    The comparisons are ridiculous. After researching, Craft played 4 full seasons for the Reds and collected 1 post season hit. Geronimo played 9 seasons, collected 4 gold gloves, had key hits in the 1975 world series, etc.
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Congrats Spuds, a Reds great!
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlegs View Post
    Your question was framed whereas comparisons were made between Harry Craft and Cesar Geronimo. Or at least I'm assuming that's what you meant due to the fact both played centerfield and both were known more for defense than offense.

    The comparisons are ridiculous. After researching, Craft played 4 full seasons for the Reds and collected 1 post season hit. Geronimo played 9 seasons, collected 4 gold gloves, had key hits in the 1975 world series, etc.
    And Harry Craft is in the Reds HOF, mainly because when the thing was created he was baseball figure who was connected to the Reds only World Champs. It's quite possible that in 20 years someone will say the same about the Chief, I know everything he did as a Red, but in retrospect I don't think he's a Reds HOF member. Nor do I think Craft should be.

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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    When he broke his leg or messed up his knee (can't remember which) Sabo was living in a condo right across the street from the in-laws. When visiting, I was tempted to walk across the street and try to catch him at home.

    As for yesterday's game...... I hope that lady who stole Chip and I's Sabo bobble head dolls - "Sure, I watch them for you" - chokes on'em!
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    And Harry Craft is in the Reds HOF, mainly because when the thing was created he was baseball figure who was connected to the Reds only World Champs. It's quite possible that in 20 years someone will say the same about the Chief, I know everything he did as a Red, but in retrospect I don't think he's a Reds HOF member. Nor do I think Craft should be.
    The criteria for being in a team's HOF is completely different from being in MLB's HOF. It's not like it's a lower standard, it's a different animal altogether .

    Being major part of a Championship team, for a franchises that only has a few, is more than enough reason to be included in a team's HOF. Geronimo easily belongs for reason alone. And probably Craft, but I don't know enough about him to really say.

    Anyway, Geronimo also is one of the best players to play for the Reds. I wonder how many three time Gold Glovers the team has had in its history? And he really was a pretty good hitter. Right around league average. Much better than people remember.
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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    I've met Spuds many times, and I have to say the guy is a grade-A jerk in my experience. However, as a third baseman, no one has contributed more to the Reds since Pete Rose. He's not a slam-dunk Reds HoFer imo, but he's far from a bad choice based on his performance.

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    Re: Chris Sabo: Reds Hall of Famer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    The criteria for being in a team's HOF is completely different from being in MLB's HOF. It's not like it's a lower standard, it's a different animal altogether .

    Being major part of a Championship team, for a franchises that only has a few, is more than enough reason to be included in a team's HOF. Geronimo easily belongs for reason alone. And probably Craft, but I don't know enough about him to really say.

    Anyway, Geronimo also is one of the best players to play for the Reds. I wonder how many three time Gold Glovers the team has had in its history? And he really was a pretty good hitter. Right around league average. Much better than people remember.
    One of the best?


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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1969 Astros       21          0    7    0   1   0   0  -2.36   -1   -1    2    0   0 -.009 -.009 -.080 -.089 
    1970 Astros       22         -4   -1   -2  -2   0  -1  -2.68   -3   -2   -1   -1   0 -.024 -.165 -.047 -.212 
    1971 Astros       23         -3    3   -4  -1   1  -1  -0.99   -3   -3   19    1  -1 -.040 -.051 -.062 -.113 
    1972 Reds         24          2    2    5  -1   5  -2  -0.71    1   -1   26   -2  -5  .018  .033  .019  .052 
    1973 Reds         25        -24   -9  -23   0   1  -5  -1.25   -8  -12   24   -1  -2 -.053 -.082 -.066 -.148 
    1974 Reds         26         15   15   13  -2   5  -2  -0.58    1   -3   33    0   0  .018  .015  .010  .026 
    1975 Reds         27          7    7   -2   3   1  -4  -0.79   -4   -4   31    4  -1 -.008 -.020 -.010 -.030 
    1976 Reds         28         35    4   31   5   7  -6  -1.38   -2   12   35   12   0  .044  .039  .052  .092 
    1977 Reds         29          3  -11   -1  -1   0  -3  -0.54   -9  -14   18   -2   3 -.003 -.022 -.016 -.038 
    1978 Reds         30        -16  -10  -15   1  -1  -1  -0.39   -9   12   24    0   1 -.036 -.051  .000 -.051 
    1979 Reds         31         -8   -9  -13   1   1  -4  -1.17   -6    1    6   -8   3 -.030 -.056 -.022 -.079 
    1980 Reds         32          0   -2   -2  -1  -1  -1  -0.60   -8    0    4   -2   1 -.012 -.056 -.010 -.067 
    1981 Royals       33         -3   -1   -2  -5   1  -1  -0.40   -1    0    0    4   0 -.010 -.042 -.015 -.057 
    1982 Royals       34         -3   -2    0   1   2   1   0.69    8   -3   -1    0   1  .005  .068 -.023  .046 
    1983 Royals       35         -3  -10   -6   0  -1  -2  -2.45   -7   -6    0   -2   0 -.059 -.148 -.086 -.234 
         TOTALS                  -2  -17  -21  -3  22 -32  -0.85  -50  -26  219    2   1 -.006 -.020 -.007 -.027 
    
    
    YEAR TEAM          RC   RCAA  RCAP OWP   RC/G   TB   EBH  ISO   SEC  BPA  IBB HBP SAC  SF GIDP OUTS  PA   POS
    1969 Astros          0                   0.10    0    0  .000 -.115 -.051   0   0   0   0   0     0    -1  RF
    1970 Astros         -3                  -2.36   -8   -3 -.141 -.212 -.208  -1   1   1   1  -1     0    -4  LF
    1971 Astros         -4                  -1.45   -5   -1 -.011 -.036 -.051  -1  -1   0  -1   2     0    -7  LF
    1972 Reds            2                   0.21    9    2  .015  .002  .012   4   2   1  -2   1     0     2  RF
    1973 Reds          -20                  -1.93  -36   -4 -.029 -.060 -.089  -2   1   1   1   3     0   -33  CF
    1974 Reds            5                   0.34   13    0 -.003 -.014  .013   5  -1   1  -1   3     0    11  CF
    1975 Reds           -4                  -0.29   -7    1 -.012 -.015 -.006   2   1  -2  -3   5     0    -1  CF
    1976 Reds           26                   1.96   32    6 -.005  .035  .076   8   4  -2   1   4     0    50  CF
    1977 Reds           -9                  -0.67  -10   -4 -.019 -.054 -.031   7   2   2  -3   0     0   -11  CF
    1978 Reds           -6                  -0.70  -21   -2 -.015  .031 -.010   6   1   5  -2   2     0     1  CF
    1979 Reds          -12                  -1.15  -23   -3 -.026 -.041 -.057   6   0   0  -1   0     0    -8  CF
    1980 Reds           -3                  -0.65   -8   -4 -.045 -.057 -.052   1  -1   1   0   1     0     0  CF
    1981 Royals         -2                  -0.43   -6   -4 -.032  .001 -.013   1  -1   1   1   0     0    -3  RF
    1982 Royals          0                  -0.04    7    3  .063  .035  .027   1  -1  -1   3  -2     0    -5  CF
    1983 Royals         -7                  -2.62  -14   -3 -.089 -.177 -.173  -1   2  -1  -1   1     0   -10  RF
         TOTALS        -37                  -0.33  -78  -14 -.015 -.021 -.015  36  11   6  -7  18     0   -18


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