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    Jayson Werth

    Looks like Philly is looking to move Werth for a "lesser pitcher" if they can't move him in the Oswalt deal.

    He is a FA after this year making roughly 7 mill for the year.


    Question is, if Philly is after a starter would you swap expiring contacts - Harang for Werth?

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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Wouldn't they be taking on money, and getting a worse player? I'm pretty sure they're trying to get rid of Werth as a strictly money move.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Wouldn't they be taking on money, and getting a worse player? I'm pretty sure they're trying to get rid of Werth as a strictly money move.
    Correct, they are trying to shed payroll in order to add Oswalt. They might deal him for a Bailey or a even a Maloney type, but Harang would be moving backwards towards their goal.

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    Re: Jayson Werth

    I would go Bailey for Werth, possibly. Depending on if we can resign him. I'm pretty content with staying put at the deadline, unless we can add Werth.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Correct, they are trying to shed payroll in order to add Oswalt. They might deal him for a Bailey or a even a Maloney type, but Harang would be moving backwards towards their goal.
    I think they are looking for a guy who can pitch in the majors right now. Bailey would not work and Maloney in that park might be death.

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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Didn't they already have Maloney?
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by cincy09 View Post
    Didn't they already have Maloney?

    Yes, they sent us Maloney for the Lohse rental.

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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Qhy would Philly take Harang or Bailey? Bailey I can see because of his arbitration years.. But Harang? Both of which are on the DL. To get Werth we would have to start at Arroyo perhaps. Philly won't deal talent for an injured player.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Qhy would Philly take Harang or Bailey? Bailey I can see because of his arbitration years.. But Harang? Both of which are on the DL. To get Werth we would have to start at Arroyo perhaps. Philly won't deal talent for an injured player.
    They're reportedly looking for a #4 type starter thats cheap. Its a pure money move.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    They're reportedly looking for a #4 type starter thats cheap. Its a pure money move.
    I'd trade them Maloney for Werth in a heart beat. He's gonna test the market after this season, and has revealed he wants a huge long term contract, so it's a pure rental, but still worth it. He's a huge upgrade over Gomes.

    The bonus is that if the Phillies trade him, that gives them a leg up on Oswalt, which means the Cardinals will have less of a chance. That's worh Malony by itself.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Oh Maloney for Werth is obvious, I'm just not sure if they'd want to trade back for him. Lohse for Werth is a good deal for me
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Maloney for Werth is the perfect sort of trade for this team. But I doubt Philly would do that. Werth is a type A and would be a good value even if he accepted arb. Unless they can get an impact arm, they're better off just keeping him.

    I think he winds up in Tampa.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Maloney for Werth is the perfect sort of trade for this team. But I doubt Philly would do that. Werth is a type A and would be a good value even if he accepted arb. Unless they can get an impact arm, they're better off just keeping him.

    I think he winds up in Tampa.
    Agreed. Frankly, I'm surprised they're that hard-up for payroll flex they're willing to trade him for a back-end starter. I understand the whole Domonic Brown situation, but even so, an asset like that they should be milking for as much as possible.
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    Re: Jayson Werth

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Agreed. Frankly, I'm surprised they're that hard-up for payroll flex they're willing to trade him for a back-end starter. I understand the whole Domonic Brown situation, but even so, an asset like that they should be milking for as much as possible.
    If they really want to make use of Brown, send Ibanez to the bench. If they don't get a Werth trade done, I think you'll see that down the stretch.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Jayson Werth

    What the Phillies get for Werth is irrelevant to them at this point. They don't care if it is less than what they would get in the off season if they offered him arbitration. They've concluded that they can't afford him and Oswalt on the same payroll this season. They are trading Werth soley so that they can get Oswalt, who will not be available after the trading deadline. The Reds should take advantage of this situation.
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