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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Royals put two-pitcher pricetag on Greinke — 5:17 p.m.

    The Royals will listen if teams want to trade for right-hander Zack Greinke, just as they would on any player, major-league sources say.

    But when clubs inquire about Greinke, the Royals respond by saying they would want two major-league-ready pitchers with top-of-the rotation potential in return.

    Their logic is that Greinke gives them a chance to win 35 times a year. To move him, they would want to multiply that number to, say, 70 times a year.

    Greinke, 26, is under club control for this season and two more, just as Mariners right-hander Felix Hernandez was at last year’s non-waiver deadline.

    The Red Sox, Yankees and other clubs attempted to trade for Hernandez, figuring the Mariners might balk at signing him to an extension.

    The Mariners kept Hernandez, then extended him with a five-year, $78 million contract in January.

    More Royals: Part of their motivation for trading third baseman Alberto Callaspo was to give them a better chance to keep outfielder David DeJesus next season.

    As it turned out, they could not have traded DeJesus, who suffered a season-ending thumb injury on Thursday just hours after the completion of the Callaspo trade.

    But the Royals, when projecting their 2011 payroll, determined that they could not carry both Callaspo, who figures to earn $2.5 million in arbitration, and DeJesus, who can be retained on a $6 million club option.

    Several clubs, including the Red Sox and Giants, had expressed interest in DeJesus. But if he had stayed healthy, the chances of the Royals moving him would have reduced to “50-50” with the trade of Callaspo, according to a source with knowledge of the team’s thinking.

    While righty Sean O’Sullivan beat the Yankees earlier this week, Class A left-hander Will Smith was the bigger prize from the Angels in the Callaspo deal.

    O’Sullivan, 22, projects as back-of-the-rotation starter who probably would be a swingman on a championship club. Smith, 21, projects as a No. 4 starter, and some with the Royals believe he could be a No. 3.

    The Royals are attracting varying interest on their potential free agents – reliever Kyle Farnsworth, infielder Willie Bloomquist, designated hitter Jose Guillen and outfielders Scott Podsednik and Rick Ankiel.

    Bloomquist should be attractive to teams in need of bench help; he plays every position but catcher and stole 25 bases last season. Teams are “kicking the tires” on Guillen, according to a source; if he moves, it likely will be close to the deadline. — Ken Rosenthal


    So what I would like to say is... THE ROYALS are open to TRADING GREINKE...

    2 pitchers??????

    Micah Owings & Maloney & Alonso & Heisey & Whoever else it takes...

    I would also like the Reds to grab 3B/OF Alex Gordon in the deal if possible...

    Throw in anyone not named:

    Leake
    Bruce
    Cueto
    Votto

    But so the point of this is, the Royals are making Greinke available. This kind of pitcher doesn't come along very often. If Walt was almost aquiring LHP Cliff Lee, I would hope he is on the phone with Dayton Moore every single Day...
    no, lets say that again...NO. We have starting pitching equal to this kid now, why give it up just to get him....:thumbdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshall2105 View Post
    How about Wood and Bailey straight up with a couple of B prospects. I would do that in a heartbeat, I know some are reluctant to give up Wood, but Greinke is as good as it gets.
    A) Why would the Royals want damaged goods in Homer?
    B) Why would you give up Wood?
    C) Greinke is good, but not worth trading away young good arms for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Oh no, I'm not talking about them dealing Leake, Cueto or Chapman at all.

    I'm saying a package of Wood, Frazier, Cozart and maybe one more could entice the Royals.

    So you are wanting to give up a SP who is young and cheap, and two potential daily infielders who can contribute as early as next season for a pitcher who while good is not leaps and bounds better then what we have?

    STOP the madness.:thumbdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    A) Why would the Royals want damaged goods in Homer?
    B) Why would you give up Wood?
    C) Greinke is good, but not worth trading away young good arms for.
    A) Homer has shown potential, pitched OK this year, and was great at the end of last year
    B) In order to get Greinke you have to give up something
    C) Greinke is great, not good, and everyone always complains about having no ace and he would be the answer
    "There are high fastballs and then theres Chapman's high fastball" -Chris Welsh

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    So you are wanting to give up a SP who is young and cheap, and two potential daily infielders who can contribute as early as next season for a pitcher who while good is not leaps and bounds better then what we have?

    STOP the madness.:thumbdown
    You are not gonna get a Cy Young award winner for Matt Klinker and Kris Negron. You're going to have to bite the bullet and trade the best you have for one of the best pitchers.

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    I think I would LOVE a 10 Million dollar a year Cy Young Award winner whos 26 years old...

    Aaron Harang makes more than that and has struggled mightely the last 2+ years...
    You are giving up Wood and paying Greinke $10,000,000. That is how you have to look at it. Greinke has not been a Cy Young pitcher this year, and was not in 2008. He could be a WAR pitcher of about 5 for two years (that would actually be above every year in his career but his Cy Young year, and just about average over the last 3 years which includes that Cy Young year). With Wood you are probably looking at a WAR of 3 and possibly more, and then you can spend that 9+ million on a player to improve other positions. The Reds are not the Yankees. You do not give up a cheap, young player who is already showing good stuff in the majors. The Reds can deal some minor league guys where you have a player already on the team blocking him, and that adds to the team. Yet dealing Wood subtracts to the team, and costs a lot of money. A 2 WAR bump for $10,000,000 is not a good deal for a team on a strict budget.

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    ehhhh i would just say no if they wanted travis wood.

    I think the reds needed a LH superstar in this rotation. Cliff lee is gone. So work with what you got.

    Now bullpen is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshall2105 View Post
    A) Homer has shown potential, pitched OK this year, and was great at the end of last year
    B) In order to get Greinke you have to give up something
    C) Greinke is great, not good, and everyone always complains about having no ace and he would be the answer
    A) Potential and a $1 will get you a cup of coffee. Plus he is right now damaged goods
    B) Not true, the Angles just gave up nothing and got Haren
    C) We have an ace, his name is Johnny Cueto, I will take him over Greinke.

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    You are not gonna get a Cy Young award winner for Matt Klinker and Kris Negron. You're going to have to bite the bullet and trade the best you have for one of the best pitchers.

    Sorry but just because he has a CY doens't mean he is worth giving up good young talent for.

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by bgwilly31 View Post
    Now bullpen is a different story.
    What is wrong with the bullpen?

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    Re: Zach Greinke

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Sorry but just because he has a CY doens't mean he is worth giving up good young talent for.
    Okay this isnt Mark Davis. This is a 26 year old with "Great Stuff"


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