Originally Posted by Kingspoint
Problem is...
A) You are not going to trade for a position that you just signed a player for in the off season
B) You are not going to trade for a player whom Dusty won't play over his "vet" whom he believes in.
Problem is...
A) You are not going to trade for a position that you just signed a player for in the off season
B) You are not going to trade for a player whom Dusty won't play over his "vet" whom he believes in.
Unless we nosedive they'll contribute success to leadership... basically we're not getting rid of cabrara or letting anyone take his job, IMO.
Part B is the problem.
Part A isn't a problem for Walt, but it is for Dusty. The thing with Part A is that it wasn't a large contract. It's a fill-in until Cozart (or someone else we have and/or get) is ready.
I really hope you don't believe Cesar Izturis or Yuniesky Betancourt as our SS over Cabrera. Sounds like you have a personal issue with OCab to believe he is the WORST starting SS in the MLB.
His defense is lights out better than OCab's?
Drew's UZR
2007: -12.3
2008: -15.8
2009: 2.7
2010: 4.0
OCab's
2007: 12.7
2008: 14.3
2009: -13.6
2010: 5.3
I guess I don't understand these advanced fielding stats, cause it looks to me like OCab is actually at worst an equal fielder. Seems to me Stephen Drew would be a slight overall upgrade that's not worth the risk of disrupting team chemistry.
Last edited by Griffey012; 07-26-2010 at 06:15 PM.
I would disagree, if you are Walt, how do you explain to your owner, "Hey I brought OC in to play short, but now want this younger kid. As for B, as we see tonight, AGAIN Dusty proves he can not manage as he has OC batting leadoff. WHY? I challenge ANYONE to explain how you can bat OC anywhere but 7th or 8th.
Team chemistry is a myth....
8 game hit streak, our hottest bat since the break. 3 hit game recently.
And w/o Brandon there, the only other choice would be stubbs, and he strikes out too much probably
Great. Greinke is the only guy that is "out there" that I see as a significant upgrade and #1) I don't see them moving him, and #2) I don't want us to pay out the nose to get him. Maybe a minor trade here or there will still happen, but nothing that lets major talent leave the organization. Lets prepare to contend for multiple seasons.
"He looked like a surfer kid from SoCal," manager Dusty Baker says. "He didn't say much, but you could tell he was cool."
Exactly
Don't get me wrong, if I could pick Drew or Cabrera for my team going forward, I take Stephen Drew every time.
But would you honestly want to have Brendan Ryan while the Cards have Cabrera?
Another good post.
What I want to know is how did Cabrera improve his UZR to 5.3 this year? Less than 2 months ago it was a negative number. Did he turn into Ozzie Smith over the last 50 games? That's what he would have had to do in order to swing that number all the way to 5.3.
While he has improved lately, I haven't seen that kind of improvement. Maybe his "veteran" experience is helping him the 2nd time through the National League this season and he's putting himself in better position so that his "limited" range doesn't come into play as much.
Pretty simple explanation.
Cabrera was the best on the market at the time and I went out and got him.
Hoping to find lightening in a bottle, it's just not there, and I'm now going to improve the position some more.
When you trade to improve your team in mid-season, you're always "Buying High" and "Selling Low".
It's a rare situation for the REDS. I'm certainly OK with "Buying High" and "Selling Low" at this time.
I don't know enough about UZR to be able to give a good explanation, but based off the games I have been able to catch on TV in Indy of late (about 2 out of every 3 game series is on here) OCab looks like a different defender post all-star break (probably helped he got to rest his ankle). He has made some nice plays in the hole recently and him and Phillips have had some great DP turns. I don't know how much a few plays will effect the UZR rating, but I know they suggest looking at 3 years worth of UZR because it has some volatility with it.
Your last paragraph may be the spot on explanation. In combination with learning the players, and also learning the tendencies of his own pitchers have probably helped. I was pretty surprised when I looked at fangraphs and saw he was at 5.3, I figured he was probably around 0.
Cabrera is hitting in July and getting on base (.338 OBP).
He's improving his Defense, clearly.
The DP turns have been great all season.
Maybe the problem is solved.
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