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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    "Liking contact" and tearing it up at the low-A level is one thing. But the point is that a 5-foot-7 player better take some walks if he's going to make it at the MLB level. (And I fully think Torreyes will make it at the MLB level.)

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    I enjoyed this tweet from KLaw:
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    Yes. Also an inapt one. "@DanielRathman: @keithlaw Is Jeff Keppinger a lazy comp for Ron Torreyes?"

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Jose Altuve seems like the better comp
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    I'm still working with the premise that Torreyes is Spanish for Sappelt.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    I'm still working with the premise that Torreyes is Spanish for Sappelt.
    Lmao.

    If you don't mind I'm using that as my Sig.

    Scary good thing about Raton, is he is hitting at the same clip with the same results as he was in the VSL last season.

    He should be a month out of HS and he is a AA player already.

    Can't wait to see the insane numbers this group puts up in California next year.
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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Altuve and Sappelt probably aren't good comps for Torreyes. Both guys have much thicker bodies than he does, especially Sappelt who is 5' 9" and 200 pounds. Altuve is a tad shorter and has 25-30 pounds on him.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    It is good and I really like this kid, but it seems like a guy with such a small zone should walk more. Wonder if he will at some point as he grows up.
    The problem with this though is that when he gets a strike, he is hitting it. It is tough to draw walks when your contact rate on balls you swing at is probably 95% or higher. But I don't care if he walks 20 times a season if he is only striking out 18 times a season.

    Torreyes gets the strikezone pretty well from what I have seen. He isn't walking much because when he gets a pitch to hit, he is hitting it. When he doesn't get a pitch to hit, he walks to first base. Guys are throwing him lots of strikes at this point though.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis View Post
    Lmao.

    If you don't mind I'm using that as my Sig.

    Scary good thing about Raton, is he is hitting at the same clip with the same results as he was in the VSL last season.

    He should be a month out of HS and he is a AA player already.

    Can't wait to see the insane numbers this group puts up in California next year.
    Heck Yea!!!

    Dayton is supposed to be a pitchers league compared to Cali

    Shield said last night Dayton may have the best 1-2 since he was there in 88 with Hamilton and Raton...

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    I was trying to think of other players in the majors with similar skill sets. So I went and looked for guys since 1990 who, in at least 2500 PA, sustained a K% and BB% south of 10%. (Jeff Keppinger fell short on the PA, FWIW). I was surprised by the variety.

    You've got all around great hitters like Nomar, Molitor, Pedroia and Ripken. You've got the speedy guys like Ichiro, Eric Young, Juan Pierre and Lance Johnson. You've got the slap-hitters without elite speed like Gwynn, Kendall, and Vizquel (and Keppinger...). And you've got a group of guys who just plain stink and couldn't do much else but make contact and play defense, like Guillen, Neifi, Rey Sanchez and Jose Lind.

    Seems that Torreyes would go in that last group. Most of those guys were fast early in their careers, but fell off fairly quickly from a speed perspective. Perhaps not surprisingly, most of these guy play up the middle.

    I think that guys with big power tend to miss the BB% cutoff, because they'll get pitched around more often. Vlad just missed the K% cutoff (11%).

    Anyways, not scientific, but certainly interesting.

    Code:
    Name		AVG	OBP	SLG	ISO	BABIP	SB	BB%	K%	wOBA
    Nomar Garciapar	.313	.361	.521	.208	.312	95	6.6%	9.1%	.376
    Tony Gwynn	.343	.388	.475	.132	.341	98	7.2%	3.5%	.375
    Paul Molitor	.313	.377	.463	.149	.329	160	9.3%	9.6%	.372
    Dustin Pedroia	.303	.374	.461	.158	.310	74	9.6%	8.0%	.369
    Ichiro Suzuki	.327	.372	.423	.096	.353	407	6.2%	9.2%	.350
    Jose Vidro	.298	.359	.445	.146	.312	23	8.4%	9.7%	.349
    Mike Greenwell	.294	.354	.437	.143	.297	45	8.3%	7.0%	.347
    Gregg Jefferies	.291	.347	.420	.129	.290	170	7.9%	5.4%	.341
    Eric Young	.283	.359	.390	.107	.294	465	9.4%	6.6%	.339
    Darryl Hamilton	.294	.362	.388	.095	.318	156	9.5%	9.6%	.338
    Cal Ripken	.274	.335	.437	.163	.274	17	8.0%	9.3%	.336
    Jim Eisenreich	.297	.350	.404	.107	.320	66	7.7%	9.7%	.335
    Mark Loretta	.295	.360	.395	.100	.315	47	8.5%	9.2%	.334
    Tony Fernandez	.285	.355	.398	.113	.308	134	9.2%	9.8%	.334
    Jason Kendall	.288	.366	.378	.090	.306	189	8.3%	7.9%	.333
    Placido Polanco	.301	.346	.408	.107	.311	79	5.4%	6.7%	.332
    Don Mattingly	.286	.345	.405	.119	.289	6	8.3%	6.2%	.331
    B.J. Surhoff	.285	.336	.424	.139	.296	95	7.2%	9.6%	.331
    Carlos Baerga	.291	.332	.423	.131	.302	59	4.9%	9.8%	.331
    Lance Johnson	.294	.336	.392	.097	.309	299	6.0%	6.3%	.327
    Joey Cora	.280	.350	.375	.095	.297	101	8.8%	7.8%	.327
    Fernando Vina	.282	.348	.379	.097	.294	116	6.1%	6.2%	.324
    Paul Lo Duca	.286	.337	.409	.123	.290	20	6.2%	6.9%	.324
    Luis Polonia	.293	.344	.381	.088	.319	246	7.2%	9.8%	.324
    Juan Pierre	.297	.346	.364	.067	.314	542	5.7%	5.7%	.322
    Darrin Fletcher	.268	.317	.422	.154	.269	2	6.0%	9.4%	.320
    Casey Kotchman	.267	.333	.400	.133	.279	10	8.2%	9.8%	.320
    Ozzie Smith	.274	.347	.341	.066	.286	148	9.9%	5.1%	.319
    David Eckstein	.280	.345	.355	.075	.298	123	6.6%	7.3%	.316
    Omar Vizquel	.275	.340	.357	.082	.297	400	8.7%	9.0%	.315
    Orlando Palmeir	.274	.351	.350	.076	.297	37	9.8%	8.5%	.314
    Orlando Cabrera	.273	.319	.392	.119	.285	214	6.3%	8.9%	.313
    Bengie Molina	.274	.307	.411	.137	.275	3	4.0%	9.1%	.309
    Joe Orsulak	.270	.322	.368	.098	.285	28	6.9%	9.1%	.307
    Endy Chavez	.273	.315	.375	.102	.297	93	5.7%	9.7%	.304
    Yadier Molina	.268	.326	.364	.096	.282	23	7.3%	8.6%	.303
    Lenny Harris	.271	.320	.353	.082	.286	113	6.5%	7.7%	.302
    Aaron Miles	.284	.322	.355	.071	.310	29	5.1%	9.6%	.298
    Yuni Betancourt	.269	.293	.391	.121	.281	29	3.4%	9.0%	.294
    Deivi Cruz	.269	.293	.388	.119	.284	16	3.0%	9.8%	.293
    Toby Hall	.262	.297	.374	.112	.269	2	4.1%	8.6%	.290
    Neifi Perez	.267	.297	.375	.108	.284	57	4.2%	9.1%	.290
    Luis Sojo	.261	.297	.352	.091	.271	28	4.5%	7.1%	.289
    Mark Lemke	.248	.319	.324	.076	.266	11	9.6%	9.3%	.287
    Rey Sanchez	.272	.308	.334	.062	.299	55	4.4%	9.7%	.285
    Gary DiSarcina	.258	.292	.341	.083	.273	47	3.8%	7.6%	.281
    Ozzie Guillen	.264	.290	.344	.079	.278	68	3.6%	6.7%	.277
    Cesar Izturis	.255	.295	.322	.067	.280	109	4.9%	9.3%	.274
    Jose Lind	.254	.291	.313	.059	.275	30	5.0%	8.6%	.267
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Okay...but how many of those guys were hitting at a .402 clip? :O)

    It doesn't look to me that he goes in that last group. He's a mixture. High contact rate puts him in that 'slap hitters' group. Excellent speed puts him in that 'speedy group'. The only one he doesn't fit into is the power hitting group. Obviously I don't think he'll continue at this pace, but his batting average up to now (this year and last year) haven't shown any signs of letting up. I'm not sure what we make of him....other than just sit back and enjoy it. :O)
    Last edited by _Sir_Charles_; 07-22-2011 at 02:23 PM.
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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Okay...but how many of those guys were hitting at a .402 clip? :O)
    In A Ball? No idea... He's fast, but I don't think he's Ichiro/Pierre fast. Gwynn, Kendall, Vizquel and company were all pretty fast when younger.

    I'm as excited as anybody, but I'm very curious about how he can handle pitchers who can located their breaking stuff. An ability to lay off stuff out of the zone can lead to a higher contact rate than is sustainable against players who can put offspeed and breaking stuff in the zone.

    Doug, have you seen how he handles non-fastballs?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    but I'm very curious about how he can handle pitchers who can located their breaking stuff.
    I think it's pretty apparent at this point that Torreyes has no trouble recognizing pitches and putting the barrel on the ball.

    The comp I've generally had in mind is Polanco.
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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    In A Ball? No idea... He's fast, but I don't think he's Ichiro/Pierre fast. Gwynn, Kendall, Vizquel and company were all pretty fast when younger.

    I'm as excited as anybody, but I'm very curious about how he can handle pitchers who can located their breaking stuff. An ability to lay off stuff out of the zone can lead to a higher contact rate than is sustainable against players who can put offspeed and breaking stuff in the zone.

    Doug, have you seen how he handles non-fastballs?
    I saw him knock a changeup opposite field for a double. Opposing pitcher was getting some decent swing and misses on the pitch too.

    Of course that's an impressive sample size of one, and my eyes aren't exactly well trained to spot holes in a hitter's swing. So Doug probably has more on that one. I liked what I saw though

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    I haven't seen him enough to say one way or the other on how he handles breaking balls, and unfortunately with the games available online tonight I don't get to watch them either (brother is getting married tomorrow). But, from what I have seen I will say that he gets the strikezone quite well.

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    Re: Ronald Torreyes

    How about a shorter Jose Vidro with less power but a better glove?

    Similar hit tool and contact rate. I'd take that.
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