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    8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    A Dusty special:
    Phillips 2B
    Janish SS
    Cairo 1B

    Rolen 3B
    Gomes LF
    Bruce RF
    Heisey CF
    Hernandez C
    Leake P

    At least Heisey got another start.


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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    This is really going to happen for 2 weeks in a pennant race.

    Sigh.

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Maholm has pitched effectively vs. the REDS so far this year. Maybe this lineup is what's needed to get to him.

    (Only 2 ER in 13.2 innings).

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Homer Bailey View Post
    This is really going to happen for 2 weeks in a pennant race.

    Sigh.
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

    And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

    I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.
    Hanigan's been terrible since he came off DL. He should be batting 8th.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

    And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

    I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
    Dusty has been pretty good with sticking with young guys struggling, but he has stated repeatedly that he believes in giving guys some bench time to straighten their heads out. He really can't win for losing around here (and we've been winning, so he's going to lose in the RZ mind). The only young who seems to have not been given much of a chance is Janish, who some argue isn't really young anymore, but then again, his chance has arrived, hasn't it. And I'm not sure how you sit Heisey as hot as he's been. And that's another Dusty mantra, you run with the hot hand.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

    And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

    I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
    Bruce is younger than Stubbs and he certainly has been given enough rope, to hang himself even. I'm not sure its fair to say its about "not letting a young player break out of a slump on his own."

    I think there is also some merit to the idea that young players tend to be still struggling to know how to get themselves out of slumps, or prevent going very deep into one, while vets have the ability to accomplish that in the midst of a MLB season.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

    And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

    I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
    Dickerson has to come off the DL tomorrow, I think you're going to get your wish and Stubbs is going to go to AAA.

    I just don't get Janish batting 2nd, it should be Heisey.

    Just wait for tomorrow when our 2-3-4 will be Janish-Cairo-Francisco.

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Dickerson has to come off the DL tomorrow, I think you're going to get your wish and Stubbs is going to go to AAA.

    I just don't get Janish batting 2nd, it should be Heisey.

    Just wait for tomorrow when our 2-3-4 will be Janish-Cairo-Francisco.
    I'm also mildly frustrated with Paul hitting 2nd, but before we go berserk, let's see what happens. Both Cairo & Janish are getting on base this season at a pretty solid clip. Who knows...might be a good thing. (doubt it though, but Dusty's pushed the right buttons nearly all season long, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.)

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Don't know why Bruce is playing against the lefty.

    If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.

    Janish has hit pretty well this year so far, I have no complaints with the batting order. Would prefer Votto and Cabrera in the lineup, but what can you do.

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post

    If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.
    I think you may be right.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Stubbs doesn't profile as a good enough pinch hitter to warrant a roster spot. Heisey and Dickerson have the defensive part covered also.

    I don't see what Stubbs could add at this point.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And people wanted to know how Dusty got his reputation. The man is obsessed with not rocking players' boats. God forbid a catcher bat higher than 8th. In the long run, it's only a few runs difference -- but those few runs matter a whole bunch right now.

    And really Dusty -- if you aren't going to play Stubbs against a mediocre lefty, just send him down to AAA and let him get regular at bats. If you're going to sit an OF today, sit Bruce or Gomes, not Stubbs.

    I'll never understand why managers think young players don't deserve the opportunity to break out of slumps while "proven veterans" do. If your team is willing to act on the results of a few weeks' plate appearances over your own assessment of his readiness to be a major leaguer, I seriously question how you go about making decisions.
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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    If Stubbs is sent down then fans will start focusing even more one Bruce.

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    Re: 8/3/10 Reds @ Pirates--Stubbs Has Lost His Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    If I had to guess, Stubbs is (as someone suggested) on his way to AAA and Dusty isn't going to start him until after his AAA stint. So Bruce plays by default.
    And that might be the right thing. Stubbs needs to work through his issues. Sitting on the bench in the ML being a defensive replacement (because lets face it I'm guessing most of us would rather see Leake or Arroyo pinch hitting than Stubbs right now) probably isn't going to help him very much.

    Adding Dickerson to Nix and Frisco makes the bench awful lefthanded though. Of course if one or more of them starts getting some starts that really isn't much of an issue.

    Although I wouldn't be too surprised if Dusty isn't just giving Drew a few days off to clear his head. It wouldn't be my choice, but if that is the case it might be between Dickerson and Nix for the 5th OF slot.


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