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    4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    I've taken flak on here before by some, not all, when I've griped that the Reds are at a competitive disadvantage by being in the 6 team NL Central. One look at the standings today will help me express my point...just look at the AL West...Texas has about the same record as Cincy, but has an 8.5 game lead. Now being in a 4 team division isn't the only reason for that, but it certainly helps Texas in that they don't have as many teams that they must fight off.

    I know the wildcard is still out there, but over time, being in the 6 team NL Central is awful for the Reds (Spare the easy Pittsburgh joke here )

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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    I never have been able to figure out why Houston is not in the AL West.

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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I've taken flak on here before by some, not all, when I've griped that the Reds are at a competitive disadvantage by being in the 6 team NL Central. One look at the standings today will help me express my point...just look at the AL West...Texas has about the same record as Cincy, but has an 8.5 game lead. Now being in a 4 team division isn't the only reason for that, but it certainly helps Texas in that they don't have as many teams that they must fight off.

    I know the wildcard is still out there, but over time, being in the 6 team NL Central is awful for the Reds (Spare the easy Pittsburgh joke here )
    In a year like this one, it benefits the Reds. Playing the Astros, Cubs, Pirates and Brewers a lot more often is helping--not hurting--the Reds.
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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    In a year like this one, it benefits the Reds. Playing the Astros, Cubs, Pirates and Brewers a lot more often is helping--not hurting--the Reds.
    But the flip side is that 6th team, the one you didn't mention, has us in a dogfight for the Central title.

    Satire alert: We don't want to do this Brutus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    I never have been able to figure out why Houston is not in the AL West.
    A ridiculous notion that interleague play every day will cause harm to the game, it won't, it's 30 teams now, not 16 in 11 cities in competing leagues, even up the divisions, schedule a cross league game every day, nobody will collapse in a puddle.

    While they are at it, move Tampa to the NL East and Washington to the AL East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    But the flip side is that 6th team, the one you didn't mention, has us in a dogfight for the Central title.

    Satire alert: We don't want to do this Brutus.
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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    I never have been able to figure out why Houston is not in the AL West.
    Houston is in the Central time zome. Same as St. Louis, Chicago and Milwaukee. West seems completely imapproprate for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Houston is in the Central time zome. Same as St. Louis, Chicago and Milwaukee. West seems completely imapproprate for them.
    You can say the same thing about Texas, at least if Houston moved to the AL west each each have 18 games a year vs someone in the same time zone
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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Put me in the camp that thinks the Astros should go to the AL West to balance everything out. Makes no sense to have four divisions with five teams, one division with four teams and one division with six teams. They should all have five teams.

    Is it hurting the Reds this year? Hellz no. Could it be a lot worse and we could be in the AL East? Hell yes. But it's just absurd to have a total of 30 teams split into six divisions, and not have five-team divisions all across the board.

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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Houston is in the Central time zome. Same as St. Louis, Chicago and Milwaukee. West seems completely imapproprate for them.
    I really don't think time zone matters when it comes to these things.

    Heck, before realignment the Reds and Braves were in the National League West and the Cards were in the East.

    Back then, even Houston was in the West (with SD, LA, and SF). Why can't they be in the West again - just in a different league? IMO of all the teams in the NL Central, Houston is the one with the least amount of tradition and history. So it wouldn't hurt them as bad as the others to move over. Plus, it would give them a nice rivalry with Texas.

    It just makes too much sense.

    Also, in the NFL, to make everything even (4 team divisions) and to maintain traditional rivalries, you have St. Louis in the NFC West and Dallas in the NFC East. Indianapolis in the AFC South. KC in the AFC West.
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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    A ridiculous notion that interleague play every day will cause harm to the game, it won't, it's 30 teams now, not 16 in 11 cities in competing leagues, even up the divisions, schedule a cross league game every day, nobody will collapse in a puddle.
    I've been shouting this for years. Why the insistence on "interleague week"?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    While they are at it, move Tampa to the NL East and Washington to the AL East.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    I really don't think time zone matters when it comes to these things.

    Heck, before realignment the Reds and Braves were in the National League West and the Cards were in the East.

    Back then, even Houston was in the West (with SD, LA, and SF). Why can't they be in the West again - just in a different league? IMO of all the teams in the NL Central, Houston is the one with the least amount of tradition and history. So it wouldn't hurt them as bad as the others to move over. Plus, it would give them a nice rivalry with Texas.

    It just makes too much sense.

    Also, in the NFL, to make everything even (4 team divisions) and to maintain traditional rivalries, you have St. Louis in the NFC West and Dallas in the NFC East. Indianapolis in the AFC South. KC in the AFC West.
    While I agree with your comments as a whole, someone could counter that the NFL alignment means one game a year in those other cities, while in baseball it means 18. While the NFL comparison is valid from a "common sense / geographic" standpoint, it's not the same with regard to travel.

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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by macro View Post
    While I agree with your comments as a whole, someone could counter that the NFL alignment means one game a year in those other cities, while in baseball it means 18. While the NFL comparison is valid from a "common sense / geographic" standpoint, it's not the same with regard to travel.
    I think the whole travel argument is pretty much splitting hairs. They have to fly anyway. And it didn't seem to matter when the Reds were in the West for all those years.

    Distance in miles from Houston to:

    STL = 678 miles
    CIN = 895 miles
    CHI = 940 miles
    MIL = 1006 miles
    PIT = 1139 miles

    Average distance: 931 miles

    TEX = 225 miles
    LA = 1373 miles
    OAK = 1633 miles
    SEA = 1889 miles

    Average distance: 1280 miles
    Last edited by BuckeyeRedleg; 08-08-2010 at 10:24 AM.

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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    Heck, before realignment the Reds and Braves were in the National League West and the Cards were in the East.
    I remember when the two leagues decided on divisional play after two expansion teams were added to each league in 1969. The American League seemed to handle it well, but the NL seemed to have some reservations.

    The original divisional alignment based on geography would have had Cincinnati in the Eastern division. The problem was they had only the fourth best record in the NL in 1968 and some worried there would be an uneven distribution of quality. So, they moved the Cards and Cubs to the east and the Reds and Braves to the west.
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    Re: 4 Team Vs 6 Team Division

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    The original divisional alignment based on geography would have had Cincinnati in the Eastern division. The problem was they had only the fourth best record in the NL in 1968 and some worried there would be an uneven distribution of quality. So, they moved the Cards and Cubs to the east and the Reds and Braves to the west.
    They weren't worried about competitive balance. It was more about keeping the Cubs from having a lot of west coast games that would preempt their news. The Cubs and the Cardinals were/are huge rivals and the Cards went over to the East with CHI leaving ATL and the Reds in the west since neither team had the pull the Cubs did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macro View Post

    Why?
    A bit of regional realignment, Washington and Baltimore should be in the same division, as should Atlanta, Tamapa and Florida.
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