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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    To cumberland's point, if Knight plays poorly, gets hurt, etc., who is the backup PG?

    Liggins?
    Lamb I would guess.
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    Knight is more important to this team than any other player, that is pretty obvious.

    I just wholly disagree with the contention that Knight has to have a great game every game for us to have a chance to win. That is pretty ridiculous, IMO, considering the amount of talent this squad possesses.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Lamb I would guess.
    Yes. Lamb and Darius are the "backup" PGs, Darius played it Monday night in a few sets.

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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    Lamb I would guess.
    There's my point of no shot. No backup point guard or anyone who could pickup the scoring load Knight is going to have to shoulder this season.
    Put it this way. It would very very difficult for them to win many games at all if he would go down with a serious injury. I don't see anyone who could pick up the slack with scoring or running the point. Maybe I would be proven wrong. I hope we never have to find out.
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    There's my point of no shot. No backup point guard or anyone who could pickup the scoring load Knight is going to have to shoulder this season.
    Put it this way. It would very very difficult for them to win many games at all if he would go down with a serious injury. I don't see anyone who could pick up the slack with scoring or running the point. Maybe I would be proven wrong. I hope we never have to find out.
    ??? The 'no shot' stuff is as crazy to me now as it was before.

    Lamb and Miller (as point forward) will both be more than adequate back-ups for Knight.

    Lamb and Miller give us better/more skilled back-up point guard/forward options than MOST other teams.

    Again, this team, top to bottom, is much more talented than you give them credit for. And I'm still not sure if you've taken the time to look at the rest of college basketball. This team isn't competing against last year's UK team, they're competing against the rest of the field of THIS year's college basketball landscape. And, again, that landscape is WIDE OPEN.
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    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    What happens to Duke if Singler gets hurt?

    To UNC if Harrison gets banged up?

    To any team if their number one option gets injured?

    You can ding UK for a few things right now (lack of rebounding/ defense among the bigs, lack of effort or poor basketball IQ among youngsters, youth in general), but the depth isn't horrid.

    You've got three guards (Knight, Lamb, Liggins) good enough to play 20+ minutes per night, two others that can slide to guard (Miller, Hood) for a few minutes, and two more (Poole and Polson) that are true depth.

    In the frontcourt, you've got two centers (Vargas and Harrellson) with another possible one coming. At power forward, you've got Miller and Jones, with both Vargas and Harrellson able to play there (along with Hood if they want to go small). At small forward, there are no less than six options (Miller, Jones, Hood, Liggins, Poole, Lamb).

    Now, if one or two of those guys get hurt, sure, there are problems. But Calipari has had lots of experience playing with few good guys (a la UMass in 1995/96 and Memphis for his first five years at least).
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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

    ESPN's updated recruiting rankings: three Cats in the top six, and Wiltjer at #16.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...iting/rankings
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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    ESPN's updated recruiting rankings: three Cats in the top six, and Wiltjer at #16.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...iting/rankings
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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    What happens to Duke if Singler gets hurt?

    To UNC if Harrison gets banged up?
    Duke: Would still have 17.4 ppg Nolan Smith.

    Carolina: Would still have 5 guys back who averaged 8 ppg or better last year.

    I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying they have "no chance" if Knight gets hurt, but it's safe to say they have a lot more "unknowns" than any of the other "contenders." This is true, with or without Knight.

    Of course, the same thing could be said last year.
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    Duke: Would still have 17.4 ppg Nolan Smith and 18.2 ppg Jon Scheyer.

    Carolina: Would still have 5 guys back who averaged 8 ppg or better last year.

    I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying they have "no chance" if Knight gets hurt, but it's safe to say they have a lot more "unknowns" than any of the other "contenders." This is true, with or without Knight.

    Of course, the same thing could be said last year.
    Scheyer's gone, big dog.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    Scheyer's gone, big dog.
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    LOL it's all good, you failed to mention who I think is now their clear-cut best player anyway, Kyrie Irving.

    Duke is gonna be REALLY GOOD.

    If we get our Enes freed we can play with them come March, IMO, but we need our Enes!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    LOL it's all good, you failed to mention who I think is now their clear-cut best player anyway, Kyrie Irving.

    Duke is gonna be REALLY GOOD.

    If we get our Enes freed we can play with them come March, IMO, but we need our Enes!!!
    I'm predicting Kyrie Irving will be the number one pick in the NBA draft, barring injury and letting Coach K sell him on coming back to Duke every year.

    But pretty much like you said, its Duke and everybody else.

    Something that has constantly worried me about Calipari coached teams however is the fact that his teams both at UMass, Memphis, and his first year at Kentucky typically bow out a round earlier than they should.
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    I'm predicting Kyrie Irving will be the number one pick in the NBA draft, barring injury and letting Coach K sell him on coming back to Duke every year.

    But pretty much like you said, its Duke and everybody else.

    Something that has constantly worried me about Calipari coached teams however is the fact that his teams both at UMass, Memphis, and his first year at Kentucky typically bow out a round earlier than they should.
    Huh? I don't agree with that at all. Also, how many people predicted UK to go to the Final Four at the beginning of last season? They overachieved, if anything, which is much more of a hallmark of Coach Cal's teams than flaming out early.

    In February 2010, Pat Forde, writer of a regular college sports column called "Forde Minutes" for ESPN.com, vividly recalled the 1992 team:
    Calipari's greatest strength as a coach is his ability to create teams that play together. His 1992 Massachusetts team remains one of the most overachieving units The Minutes has ever seen, featuring a shooting guard with range so limited he made one 3-pointer all season (Jim McCoy), a 6-foot-3 power forward (Will Herndon), and a left-handed center who stood all of 6-7 (Harper Williams). Somehow, that collection of marginal talent went 30-5 and advanced to the NCAA Sweet 16.[5]
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"


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    Re: University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

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    Huh? I don't agree with that at all. Also, how many people predicted UK to go to the Final Four at the beginning of last season? They overachieved, if anything, which is much more of a hallmark of Coach Cal's teams than flaming out early.
    The final team he coached at Memphis with Tyreke Evans got picked off in the sweet 16 by Missouri. The two years prior to Derrick Rose, Memphis was knocked out in the Elite Eight, although the two teams beating them made it to the championship game (Ohio State and UCLA).
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