University of Kentucky Men's Basketball - 6th edition

[Brutus]

I agree in most cases, but I'll have to respectfully disagree in this one. The NCAA made its bed with this and should have to lie in it. It would be wrong if Kanter isn't allowed to play after Newton was cleared. It is pretty much thought to be wrong by most that Newton was allowed to play, but the rules of the game changed when the NCAA allowed it. It isn't as clear, at least IMO that Kanter should be ineligible now. Many players will now cite the Newton case and have every right to. Kanter may be the first, but he won't be the last.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with letting Kanter play if it applies under the same rules as in Newton's case. It would be wrong to move on like it didn't happen and continue to make it look like there was an exception for one player and not others.

I do however concede that I don't know a whole lot about the Kanter case. If there is a reason that he can't claim that he didn't knowingly break any rules, then I am in total agreement with you.

It's like when you're punishing your children. You might make a mistake with one of the kids, and the other one throws a temper tantrum trying to be let off their punishment because you went easy on the other. If you cave and lessen the punishment you're just making it harder to earn credibility when they deserve to be punished in the future.

Right or wrong, the NCAA can't and should not turn back on Kanter. It's not popular, but giving in and reversing that decision makes the Newton decision even worse. At this point they need to stand their ground and retain the shred of credibility they have left. If the Kanter decision is reversed because of this, it's like a bunch of criminals going to appeal to overturn their convictions on account of one instance of misconduct by a prosecutor.

These situations aren't terribly similar, but even if they were, the worst thing that could happen is for the NCAA to do a mea culpa.

[Razor Shines]

LOL at Calipari to Vargas as he was coming off the court: "@##$#($ Roll!!"

He's right though Vargas set that pick and just kinda floated away and left whoever had the ball out to dry.

[WMR]

Anyone who watched the game, do you think UK got a fair whistle?

I don't usually buy into the blaming refs deal, but Zeller was flailing and flopping and the refs bought it EVERY TIME.

What about that missed charge where our player got absolutely steam-rolled?

[joshnky]

Anyone who watched the game, do you think UK got a fair whistle?

I did but you probably weren't expecting me to agree with you anyway.

[Brutus]

I did but you probably weren't expecting me to agree with you anyway.

Yeah I didn't like how the game was officiated, but the fouls were called almost evenly up until the last 30 seconds. The final tally was 26 called on UK, and 20 on UNC. But considering 3-4 of those were intentional fouls in the final 30 seconds, it was essentially a pretty evenly called game.

That said, I hate the fouls that were being called. Especially when there were some flat out collisions that were let go.

[Javy Pornstache]

Yeah I didn't like how the game was officiated, but the fouls were called almost evenly up until the last 30 seconds. The final tally was 26 called on UK, and 20 on UNC. But considering 3-4 of those were intentional fouls in the final 30 seconds, it was essentially a pretty evenly called game.

That said, I hate the fouls that were being called. Especially when there were some flat out collisions that were let go.

Not even close to evenly called, Bruti. The final number of fouls are irrelevant when you talk about the INCONSISTENCY of the fouls. Kentucky running over a North Carolina player under the rim, is a charge on Kentucky. The same exact play, the same exact contact, but a North Carolina running over a Kentucky player under the rim, and suddenly the NBA rule is in effect where the defender is tagged with the foul because he can't stand under the rim. All of UK's bigs (who all fouled out, and NOT at the end of the game on intentional fouls) would be called for the tickiest of tack plays, while Zeller and Henson mugged many times with no calls. I don't ever make excuses for officiating, but this was a ludicrously inconsistent game. That said, UK certainly could've done some things to help themselves win that they didn't do.

[WMR]

Not even close to evenly called, Bruti. The final number of fouls are irrelevant when you talk about the INCONSISTENCY of the fouls. Kentucky running over a North Carolina player under the rim, is a charge on Kentucky. The same exact play, the same exact contact, but a North Carolina running over a Kentucky player under the rim, and suddenly the NBA rule is in effect where the defender is tagged with the foul because he can't stand under the rim. All of UK's bigs (who all fouled out, and NOT at the end of the game on intentional fouls) would be called for the tickiest of tack plays, while Zeller and Henson mugged many times with no calls. I don't ever make excuses for officiating, but this was a ludicrously inconsistent game. That said, UK certainly could've done some things to help themselves win that they didn't do.

Good post, JP.

Check this out, not sure I've ever seen this before... http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.a...id=888&style=2

UNC's last field goal came at the 6:46 mark. Their last 14 points came from the FT line, only 3 of those were from intentional fouls.

I fully agree UK still could have won the game, but I'm proud of how they fought through the adversity they faced today to the best of their abilities. Would LOVE to play them on a neutral court.

[WMR]

Doron Lamb is a BALLER. Love that kid. Got moxy too. Stepped up and nailed his FTs.

[Brutus]

Not even close to evenly called, Bruti. The final number of fouls are irrelevant when you talk about the INCONSISTENCY of the fouls. Kentucky running over a North Carolina player under the rim, is a charge on Kentucky. The same exact play, the same exact contact, but a North Carolina running over a Kentucky player under the rim, and suddenly the NBA rule is in effect where the defender is tagged with the foul because he can't stand under the rim. All of UK's bigs (who all fouled out, and NOT at the end of the game on intentional fouls) would be called for the tickiest of tack plays, while Zeller and Henson mugged many times with no calls. I don't ever make excuses for officiating, but this was a ludicrously inconsistent game. That said, UK certainly could've done some things to help themselves win that they didn't do.

Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to have a 'consistent' game when officiating basketball. I've been watching hoops since I was a kid and I've never seen a game that fans thought was consistent, or at least, both sides thought it was consistent. It just doesn't happen.

The only hope is that the number of whistles during the game are relatively fair. No one can complain about fouls being called when it's evenly called. The implication here by the original poster was that Kentucky didn't get a "fair" whistle. Considering the foul disparity was almost non-existent until the fouls at the end, it's hard to argue against being "fair."

I'm sure Carolina fans could pick a few bad calls or non-calls on Kentucky too. Were there bad calls? Sure. Uneven calls in a vacuum? Absolutely! And I didn't like how it was officiated. But it was fair.

[Razor Shines]

Not even close to evenly called, Bruti. The final number of fouls are irrelevant when you talk about the INCONSISTENCY of the fouls. Kentucky running over a North Carolina player under the rim, is a charge on Kentucky. The same exact play, the same exact contact, but a North Carolina running over a Kentucky player under the rim, and suddenly the NBA rule is in effect where the defender is tagged with the foul because he can't stand under the rim. All of UK's bigs (who all fouled out, and NOT at the end of the game on intentional fouls) would be called for the tickiest of tack plays, while Zeller and Henson mugged many times with no calls. I don't ever make excuses for officiating, but this was a ludicrously inconsistent game. That said, UK certainly could've done some things to help themselves win that they didn't do.

As someone who doesn't care for either team, I can say it was sightly edged toward UNC. I didn't think it was nearly as bad as you described though.

[WVRed]

Didn't get to watch the game (switched allegiances in football for the day to WVU), but I did DVR it so I am going to watch it tomorrow evening.

I did hear it was 5 on 10 though, Kentucky vs UNC, three refs, and two CBS announcers.

[Brutus]

Didn't get to watch the game (switched allegiances in football for the day to WVU), but I did DVR it so I am going to watch it tomorrow evening.

I did hear it was 5 on 10 though, Kentucky vs UNC, three refs, and two CBS announcers.

It wasn't as one-sided officiating as UK fans are making it seem. Sorry, it just wasn't.

But I do agree that Gus Johnson was going gaga, it seemed, over every UNC shot.

[WMR]

Didn't get to watch the game (switched allegiances in football for the day to WVU), but I did DVR it so I am going to watch it tomorrow evening.

I did hear it was 5 on 10 though, Kentucky vs UNC, three refs, and two CBS announcers.

We got a bad whistle, but it's par for the course playing at Chapel Hill. I just wish they gave us that same whistle in Rupp.

Bad calls of note: The charge call on Brandon Knight versus Zeller. OBVIOUS block. Huge call, b/c it takes one away from BK and adds to Zeller.

- The offensive rebound by Jorts and subsequent raping by Zeller that was not called... it would have fouled Zeller out and UK probably wins the game if that happens...

- There was a play where the ball went out of bounds and the UNC player saved it underneath the basket to Zeller who got fouled by Jorts (wasn't really a foul, Zeller just fell over and didn't get a whistle until the ref saw the ball miss the hoop)... well, the man saving the ball was clearly out of bounds and it happened right in front of the ref but NO CALL

- Zeller's first foul drawn on Jorts in the opening minute was an obvious flop

There are a couple others but those were the most blatant...

The nice thing is that even UNC fans are willing to admit they got a favorable whistle... I hate that baby blue, but they are a pretty classy fanbase overall...

One thing that is pathetic though, they had 1100 empty seats for that game. That is weak! One reason I pick UK as the greatest program of all-time, our fan support is unmatched. We put 24k in Rupp for a midweek game versus Boston University, UNC can't fill it up for a saturday game versus Kentucky? Really almost couldn't believe it.

[WVRed]

Watched the game last night and while I will agree the officiating was bad, UK had more than one opportunity to win the game. I think if Doron Lamb's floater had went in with about 30 seconds to go, UK would have been up by 3 and the outcome may have been different.

Also, with Guy Davis and Clark Kellog, I really wouldn't shed a tear if CBS didn't carry another UK game. You know BS when you CBS.

[cumberlandreds]

UK's long stretch in the 2nd half without a FG cost them the game. You can't do that on the road and expect to win. Bad calls, no doubt, in this game but I won't pin the loss on the officials.