IMO, what was handed down was pretty solid. Cueto, IMO, probably deserved another three games. Losing one start isn't enough for something that would constitute assault on any street in America.
And this whole concept that he was trapped is a farce. As Stelmacki points out above, Cueto put himself in that situation. He surged behind the pile when Carp and Rolen were dancing. Even when get got the screen, he had ample time to leave. Finally, his fellow Reds closed around him, and he's pressed against the screen. There was no reason to start kicking. At most, everyone at that point was just "tying each other up," much like what occurs when things get chippy in hockey games. Cueto is the one who elevated it.
IMO, this whole "mini-war" will die down the rest of the year, considering they only have three games remaining. But next year, it will pick right back up.
Agree most of the punishment was fair, but would have liked to see KungFu Cueto be out as long as LaRue is.
Looks like Cincy won this round.
Why is Baker the only one who reported it? The ump was right there, as well as 10-15 other players. They wouldn't have to reveal what Carpenter said and suspend him. The charging didn't start until Rolen grabbed Carpenter. If it was so horrible, I think Baker's reaction would have been more intense. Look at him, he's not someone who would be intimidated to go after Carpenter if he used a racial slur. Baker and LaRussa were suspended for failing to control their teams. Cueto for using kicking.
No, I'm not going to agree to disagree. Blaming Cueto's suspension on his race is not intelligent. Agreeing to disagree implies two people who recognize the validity of both sentiments and accept that their disagreement is okay.
My sentiment (That Cueto's suspension is not racially charged) is valid. Yours is not.
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I hate the Cardinals. I hate the Cubs.
Let's. Go. Reds.
"Per Aspera Ad Astra"
If Carpenter used a racial slur, I guarantee you that it would be national news already. It's 2010; that stuff isn't tolerated any longer.
And while Carp is a firey competitor, and can be a loose cannon, he is a very good family man. He lives in St. Louis, is very charitable, and has never had an ill report made against him. No way he's dropping any racial remarks.
Now, from what I understand, he mf'ed Dusty. And Rolen didn't take kindly to that. That's when Scott ran after Chris. They were just going to do some jawing, until everything combusted; then, the two were looking out for each other.
What Phillips said was only words, but yet you are saying that's it okay to get all hot and bothered when it suits your purposes (Molina standing up for his team), but not when someone else presents possible evidence that puts your precious, untouchable players in a bad light.
Just be consistent. Obviously Carpenter said something inappropriate - to say otherwise is being out of touch with reality.
You Cardinal Fans are so delusional. How did Cueto elevate things? Molina and Carpenter are obviously the ones that had such a strong feeling of hate. To be honest Brandon Phillips was right, the players, coaches, and fans. You guys are far worse than the Cubs fans. Instead of posting on a Cardinals site about how your in first place you want to come to a Reds site and trash our players. Cueto is a good young kid and as a Reds fan I'm proud to say he is one of ours and home grown at that.
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